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  • 10-24-2006, 02:46 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tapper
    cause he knows it will soon end. like the NHL.
    The only thing that ended regarding the NHL was the use of a stupid blue dot (so Americans could follow a black puck on white ice) on the puck.
  • 10-24-2006, 02:42 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Dominus
    Nope, wrong....the UFC had a cult like following in the beginning. People never got to see as much UFC action as they do now. People knew about the UFC , but that doesn't mean that they watched it or even wanted to watch it. In the beginning the UFC got a bad rap and not enough people were able to view it, so they took it for granted that it was just a sham. There is a very big possibility that the UFC would not have been around at this point if not for Dana White finding investors to sink enough money into the UFC to really make a go of it. What about the “Dark” period in the UFC where you could watch the fights on closed circuit tv or PPV, just at the events. That was some bad times and they were not getting much better until Dana steped in and took the reigns.
    i think people give Dana the credit because they don't have another name to put behind the success of the ufc, i truly believe that if another business savvy guy were in the same position as dana was then, they would have exceeded the current status of the ufc. you don't have to be a fighter,ex- fighter friend of a fighter to make a fighting org successful, you have to be smart, and have it in your heart to be the best product out there, for now and forever, and i think dana is just taking advantage of the current situation, cause he knows it will soon end. like the NHL.
  • 10-24-2006, 02:34 AM
    to qoute a very funny man,ha ha very funny mother f'er (joke).
  • 10-23-2006, 11:19 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tapper
    i hate dana white for being a cheap ass bastard, not paying the fighters what they deserve, the recent pride event shows what elite fighters should be payed. he is a liar, when he says he does'nt know who cro-cop and fedor is he makes himself look like an idiot. i dont like him for protecting his friends/fighters and not giving the fans the matches they want to see. i think it is only a matter of time before he is forced to pay his fighters a competive wage, and when that time comes dana will retire and spend his billions on hummers and bad clothes to make it look like he's a regular guy. most baseball fans hate george steinbreiner for the same type of reason, they take advantage of their situation with no regard for the furure of the sport. dana knows the ufc is the cream of the crop, and a fighter will work for him for next to nothing for the sake of being in the big show.
    You say you hate Dana White yet he's your avatar?

    Just joking around with you and rubbing in the fact I won the bet.
  • 10-23-2006, 10:50 PM
    IMO people need a figurehead to hate, he is just the most visable. He does not make all the decisions(he may take part, but not him alone), he just has to defend and endorse the changes made. I think the pay scale is a consious effort to not allow the insanity most organized sports have to go through(union issues, inflated pay scales). I am just guessing on that, but it seems to be the trend.
  • 10-23-2006, 10:39 PM
    How about all the people behind the scenes that put up the cage...that haul and set up all of the lighting and sound equipment? about the percentage that goes to the place that holds the event? You guys really should take time out to understand he doesn't pocket it all...he has to pay the producing team...the camera crew...and NSAC refs/doctors/judges...and on top of that the brothers that actually own the UFC get a cut's business and there are more than just 16 people that need to get paid...i'm sure most of the people that work behind it all get a good pay too...
  • 10-23-2006, 10:33 PM
    Because he's an idiot. People like to give him credit for things he never did, things that noone could have done. The Nashive Network had to become The National Network, the National Network (owned by viacom) had to sign a deal with the WWE; the WWE had to be at the end of their contract with USA to consider a new contract with TNN; the WWE had to be a success on TNN; TNN had to change it's identity to a men's oriented network; TNN had to commit to the "network for men" identity; TNN need to change it's name to "spike tv", wwe needed to be a success for Spike to take a chance on UFC programing; UFC programing needed WWE as a lead-in to have decent ratings; TUF needed to have decent ratings.

    The list goes on and on. Very complex. People try to dumb things down to make their lives bearable. They dumb it down, and ignore the chaotic facts of existence.

    And on the 5th day Dana created? And on the 6th day Dana created? And on the seventh day Dana, well Dana rested.
  • 10-23-2006, 10:30 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Kewl144
    Then you'd have no problem providing a detailed list of the UFC expenses for a PPV event (including staff, renting locations, fighter appearances, promotion and marketing...etc)?
    Please see the post before this one. The point I was making with this post was that earning 3 Mil from the gate IS public acceptance.
  • 10-23-2006, 10:25 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyMoore
    Over 3 Million from the gate earnings ALONE.Umm how much more proof in the eye of the general public do you need?! What you are doing is making excuses for not paying the fighters what they have earned and what they deserve. You are hurting the fighters and this sport with talk of business. You are a very poor fan.
    Then you'd have no problem providing a detailed list of the UFC expenses for a PPV event (including staff, renting locations, fighter appearances, promotion and marketing...etc)?
  • 10-23-2006, 10:14 PM
    I don't hate him. Given role reversal I'd be pulling the same stuff that he is. In the end you work with what you have while trying to improve it. Of COURSE he's going to promote his product like it's the best around. Sadly he is human, and sure enough like any guy near the top of a company will use his own personal bias. But all in all he's made some good moves, especially with Spike, to get MMA into the forefront of people's minds.

    I won't deny that I see better action with Pride, but at the same time can't hold that against Dana of all people. Regarding the pay? People will go where the price is right. Business will either adapt or die.

    All in all, having more places to work is a GOOD thing, so more power to them.
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