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  • 03-11-2010, 03:29 AM
    lwbrewer
    What was this post again lol little bit too much of this
  • 03-11-2010, 02:38 AM
    rivethead
    Quote Originally Posted by Sakara=Excitement View Post
    Now who's assuming?
    I'm assuming a few things:
    You've been on here long enough to know better ways to state your opinion.
    You've been posting articles long enough to know not to change a title.
    You've been here long enough to know not to double post.
    You're smart enough not to post some punkassed comments from the Kalib thread--from guys who were warned about it back then and don't even post here anymore--and pretend that it's normal, acceptable behavior.

    So I'm going to chalk this up to you having a bad day and get over it.


    Quote Originally Posted by Sakara=Excitement View Post
    I think Bowles thought a few things....a) this guy is whipping my ass and I don't see this turning around, b) I won the belt already and I can get there again when I'm healthy, c) why risk more injury when I don't think I can win this fight.
    I think all of those things are both probable, and acceptable without meaning someone pussed out. I'd also cite Jamie Varner, who was out for a year because he kept throwing with a broken bone in his hand, and still hasn't come back as strong as he was pre-injury.

    I think that if Bowles was actually willing to give up the loss and say that Cruz was the better man that night, specifically with the intent of coming back healthy and getting his belt back, he's a smart fighter. There are plenty of mooks who play to the casual fan who only likes to see someone stand in the pocket and trade who end up derailing their career to become some type of gladiatorial caricature.

    Quote Originally Posted by joeyt View Post
    Interesting interview with Cruz regarding the fight.

    Video, Dominick Cruz on Brian Bowles: “My hands is broken too, my foot is broken, I was willing to go three more rounds”|URDirt.com

    I guess everyone has to take his opinion as gospel since he's been in there. So maybe I'm not passing judgment as much as I am agreeing with Cruz.
    The horse is long-dead already, but Cruz isn't saying Bowles pussed out. He's just saying that he wanted it more. But I don't think anyone here was saying that Cruz didn't want it more. That was pretty obvious.

    But as Sakara has already acknowledged, conceding a fight to someone who wants it more when you're injured--essentially living to fight another day--doesn't mean someone pussed out.

    rh
  • 03-10-2010, 11:00 PM
    Mac
    Quote Originally Posted by rodzilla1988 View Post
    All I'm saying is that his opinion isn't completely outrageous the way alot of posters are making it seem.
    It's not his opinion people are having a problem with, it's the way he presented it. Saying Bowles pussed out is classless and baseless. If that's his opinion fine, but calling out a fighter who does something you can't makes you look silly.
  • 03-10-2010, 10:57 PM
    rodzilla1988
    All I'm saying is that his opinion isn't completely outrageous the way alot of posters are making it seem.
  • 03-10-2010, 10:47 PM
    TBEAR
    War mac
  • 03-10-2010, 10:43 PM
    Mac
    Quote Originally Posted by rodzilla1988 View Post
    I want to say a few things. First hand breaks are a very common injury in the MMA world and that's a given, so there is no point in arguing there. Second it is well within Sakara's right to say what he thinks Bowles is and how he regards Bowles pulling from the fight regardless of any of our opinions. I do agree though that I have honestly never seen a stoppage like that so I don't think it's an out of this world statement to make that most likely Bowles could have toughed through the rest of the fight.
    Firstly, it's one thing to wonder if a fighter could have toughed it out and a completely another to say he pussed out. That said, you are right, Sakara has the right to say whatever he wants as long as it falls within the rules. If that's the case, don't the rest of us have the right to say what we think about his opinion?

    Secondly, hand breaks do happen frequently in MMA. However, it would not be very intelligent on our part to assume all hand breaks are of the same variety.
  • 03-10-2010, 10:30 PM
    rodzilla1988
    I want to say a few things. First hand breaks are a very common injury in the MMA world and that's a given, so there is no point in arguing there. Second it is well within Sakara's right to say what he thinks Bowles is and how he regards Bowles pulling from the fight regardless of any of our opinions. I do agree though that I have honestly never seen a stoppage like that so I don't think it's an out of this world statement to make that most likely Bowles could have toughed through the rest of the fight.
  • 03-10-2010, 09:38 PM
    Mac
    I found this on Sherdog's main site.

    The biggest question surrounding the WEC bantamweight picture revolves around injuries San Diego native Cruz may have sustained in Saturday’s melee. Cruz’s head trainer, Eric Del Fierro, told Sherdog.com on Monday that Cruz didn’t break his hand as was earlier suspected, but that the fighter likely fractured his foot. Del Fierro said Cruz would visit his doctor on Tuesday for another examination to determine the damage. Cruz’s return to action could prove a major factor in Shelby’s immediate choices.
    Hmm, I guess he didn't also fight with a broken hand.
  • 03-10-2010, 07:45 PM
    Ramma
    Quote Originally Posted by Sakara=Excitement View Post
    Don't say that Joey...dont say it!

    And Ramma....I was told not to try and assume what went on in the cage and what may or may not have been broken and then Ramma you went ahead and said that his foot wasn't broken. You don't know if it was or wasn't.
    I'm not assuming anything. He said he broke his foot on the first kick, yet he didn't land it. So how did he break it? There is no assumption there. Could he have broken his foot, sure. Maybe from leg kicks or later on in the fight. But according to him, he broke it on his first kick, which is obviously not true.

    You assumed he quit, without looking at the facts. No one called you out for assuming whether or not it was broken. Big difference.
  • 03-10-2010, 07:22 AM
    Rambo
    Quote Originally Posted by Sakara=Excitement View Post
    I haven't traveled outside of the United States yet but I do know that it isn't a US issue it becomes whatever country you're traveling in to. They have the right to turn you away depending on your crime. Luckily for me, I was convicted over 8 years ago with nothing on my record before that or after. After 10 years most companies can't go back that far to see any convictions. Plus it only goes back 5 years on your driving record.
    Ok cool. How about the tatoos in the second picture? Did you get those after you got out of prison? Was it a gang-related thing or just something you decided to do after being influenced by your experience in prison?
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