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  • 07-13-2010, 09:09 PM
    Masscore
    Quote Originally Posted by JPeezy View Post
    I don't disagree with you, but Leben is a fighter on the rise, Wanderlei is on the decline. Even if Wand destroyed Leben, it would be a great fight to watch because styles make fights, and these two would be a toe to toe war!
    See this is where I disagree with you a lot. Leben is not on the rise, he was losing to Sexyama and 30 seconds away from losing the fight until he pulled off the submission. In a rematch I am pretty sure Sexyama would win and it would be hard for anyone to argue otherwise. Wandy is not on the decline like everyone thinks. He has lost some tough fights to some of the best fighters in the world. The only fighters Wandy has lost to in the UFC have been former champions (Liddell, Rampage and Franklin) and he has beaten the guys who have not been.

    I do not want to see Wandy fight Leben because its a huge step back for him. Leben is not a contender and never ever will be. Wandy is prehaps one or two good wins away from a title shot. I would much rather see Wandy fight Nate Marquandt, Okami/Munoz winner, Belfort or the Silva/Sonnen loser. Those are fighters that are worthy of someone of Wandy calibar... not Leben.
  • 07-13-2010, 08:48 PM
    JPeezy
    Quote Originally Posted by Masscore View Post
    I find it pretty friggin hilarious that people actually think Leben would have a chance against Wandy because he has power... really guys come on. This is Wandy "The Axe Murderer" Silva we are talking about, not Aaron Simpson, not Sexyama, not Terry Martin. Leben would have no chance in hell against Wandy and the fight would be a huge huge step back for Wandy.

    First I know you guys will go "Well Wandy's chin is not what it used to be" this is true. But who has KOed Wandy in the last 4 years, Cro-Cop, Hendo and Rampage. All three of those guys hit way way harder and are far better strikers and MMA fighter in general then Leben could ever hope of being.

    Take this into consideration also; Leben is hands down the worse fighter Wandy will have fought in over 3-4 years. Yea his record is not the prettiest over the last few years but he has fought Cro-Cop, Hendo, Liddell, Jardine, Rampage, Franklin and Bisping. Bisping is the worse fighter on that list and Bisping dominated Leben with ease. So itís kind of laughable to think Leben would be nothing more than cannon fodder for Wandy.
    I don't disagree with you, but Leben is a fighter on the rise, Wanderlei is on the decline. Even if Wand destroyed Leben, it would be a great fight to watch because styles make fights, and these two would be a toe to toe war!
  • 07-13-2010, 08:09 PM
    The Sword
    Quote Originally Posted by rampage9712 View Post
    Leban makes some exciting fights, but people dont realize the difference between leban's past opponents and wand. He isnt what he used to be, but it will still take a legit title contender to beat him, he would beat most of them anyways. Leban doesnt make it out of the 1st.
    If your talking about me I do see the difference and I do agree with the underline statement I think people are selling leben short and I could see him winning this fight
  • 07-13-2010, 07:25 PM
    Kimbo> Rampage
    Quote Originally Posted by Masscore View Post
    I find it pretty friggin hilarious that people actually think Leben would have a chance against Wandy because he has power... really guys come on. This is Wandy "The Axe Murderer" Silva we are talking about, not Aaron Simpson, not Sexyama, not Terry Martin. Leben would have no chance in hell against Wandy and the fight would be a huge huge step back for Wandy.

    First I know you guys will go "Well Wandy's chin is not what it used to be" this is true. But who has KOed Wandy in the last 4 years, Cro-Cop, Hendo and Rampage. All three of those guys hit way way harder and are far better strikers and MMA fighter in general then Leben could ever hope of being.

    Take this into consideration also; Leben is hands down the worse fighter Wandy will have fought in over 3-4 years. Yea his record is not the prettiest over the last few years but he has fought Cro-Cop, Hendo, Liddell, Jardine, Rampage, Franklin and Bisping. Bisping is the worse fighter on that list and Bisping dominated Leben with ease. So itís kind of laughable to think Leben would be nothing more than cannon fodder for Wandy.
    Leban makes some exciting fights, but people dont realize the difference between leban's past opponents and wand. He isnt what he used to be, but it will still take a legit title contender to beat him, he would beat most of them anyways. Leban doesnt make it out of the 1st.
  • 07-13-2010, 04:51 PM
    Masscore
    I find it pretty friggin hilarious that people actually think Leben would have a chance against Wandy because he has power... really guys come on. This is Wandy "The Axe Murderer" Silva we are talking about, not Aaron Simpson, not Sexyama, not Terry Martin. Leben would have no chance in hell against Wandy and the fight would be a huge huge step back for Wandy.

    First I know you guys will go "Well Wandy's chin is not what it used to be" this is true. But who has KOed Wandy in the last 4 years, Cro-Cop, Hendo and Rampage. All three of those guys hit way way harder and are far better strikers and MMA fighter in general then Leben could ever hope of being.

    Take this into consideration also; Leben is hands down the worse fighter Wandy will have fought in over 3-4 years. Yea his record is not the prettiest over the last few years but he has fought Cro-Cop, Hendo, Liddell, Jardine, Rampage, Franklin and Bisping. Bisping is the worse fighter on that list and Bisping dominated Leben with ease. So itís kind of laughable to think Leben would be nothing more than cannon fodder for Wandy.
  • 07-13-2010, 01:19 PM
    The Sword
    Quote Originally Posted by rampage9712 View Post
    I know what your saying that it would also fall into lebans style, the problem is that wand is far better at it. Wand isnt what he used to be but it will still take a top5 mw talent or top10 lhw talent to beat him, leban is far from that. Old wand would murder leban, wand now would still beat leban. When ever that fight happens i call a sig bet against you.
    I agree with you. I just think lebenis going to Surprise a lot of people. Also thanks for the intelligent conversation about this topic. It was been enjoyable. And just so everyone knows Im a fan of leben and wandy, this fight is going to be hard for me to watch.
    Reped.

    on a side note this is my 300 post, LOL!
  • 07-13-2010, 12:01 PM
    Kimbo> Rampage
    Quote Originally Posted by The Sword View Post
    to be thats what makes this fight lebens style plays right into wandy hand but I think the same thing could be said for wandys style, it plays into lebens hand. we really are going to see which fighter takes a better punch in this fight. right now I think that's leben. on a side note I do agree with what your saying.
    I know what your saying that it would also fall into lebans style, the problem is that wand is far better at it. Wand isnt what he used to be but it will still take a top5 mw talent or top10 lhw talent to beat him, leban is far from that. Old wand would murder leban, wand now would still beat leban. When ever that fight happens i call a sig bet against you.
  • 07-12-2010, 09:23 PM
    Fedorlei Gomipierre
    Personally, Leban would only have a puncher's chance from a distance, because between Wanderlei's looping style, muay thai clinch and his underrated legtrips and groundwork(if need be), I believe the disparity is too great.

    Leban's got heart and good power, but Wanderlei's still got ferocity and IMO, will wade in and explode, unleashing his sharp hooks and transition into the clinch. If he doesn't crumble Leban off the bat, I believe he'll be able to gradually break him down both physically and mentally, whereas Leban's style kinda walks right into Wand.

    Endgame, I think Wanderlei will unleash on Leban at the end of round one and will finish him off in round two with a more articulate and timed onslaught. Wand via TKO.
  • 07-12-2010, 08:23 PM
    CHAEL fan
    I'm leaning towards Leben in this fight....split decision victory for The Crippler.
  • 07-12-2010, 08:20 PM
    The Sword
    Quote Originally Posted by rampage9712 View Post
    It takes a far superior striker to beat wand. Not just a guy with good technique, it takes a lot more. Wand isnt the wand of pride but there are very few that would outstrike or ko wand now at lhw and mw. Leban's style plays into wands hands, leban hits hard but it takes a lot to ko wand even though his chin isnt what it used to be. A hendo or rampage punch or a cc head kick. Leban will get caught until he gets ko'ed. If it turns into a brawl he will get ktfo bad, few people would ko wand, even fewer would ko him in a brawling fight like leban likes to fight.
    to be thats what makes this fight lebens style plays right into wandy hand but I think the same thing could be said for wandys style, it plays into lebens hand. we really are going to see which fighter takes a better punch in this fight. right now I think that's leben. on a side note I do agree with what your saying.
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