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  • 10-05-2010, 09:56 PM
    Dan
    Quote Originally Posted by Otomosix View Post
    I'm interested to see if Jones can judo throw Bader. Even once. That would make my day.
    I really think he could man. His greco-roman is top notch and I can see him using his speed and explosiveness to his advantage in getting into the clinch and tripping Bader and using his reach to finish Bader with some elbows just like he did against Vladdy. If Jones gets bader down, he is really able to utilize his huge, huge reach in an effective way, and that could be big trouble for Bader.
  • 10-05-2010, 09:41 PM
    roaddawg
    Quote Originally Posted by jlruthven84 View Post
    That's the point of the article: he's faced three wrestlers already in Hamill, O'Brien, and Vladdy. Sure, Bader's probably a better wrestler than any of them, but he's still a wrestler with a wild, powerful right hand.

    I doubt Jones is going to take this lightly; he's on the rise, and has too much to lose by ill preparation. But Bader's got nothing for him.
    Bader is also undefeated (something Jones should also take into consideration). Somebodies gotta lose and yus I consider Jones to be undefeated.
  • 10-05-2010, 08:53 PM
    SimpleJack
    I still think Jones and Bader should have gotten a few more fights before going against each other. There are much better and more exciting fights out there for both of them at this point.

    I would love to see Jon Jones vs. Rich Franklin or Thiago Silva and Bader vs. Forrest or Rich Franklin
  • 10-05-2010, 07:40 PM
    TN94z
    Quote Originally Posted by goodtimes View Post
    Call me crazy, but I'm still in the school of thought that you need to beat some top 10 fighters before you can be considered a top 10. Does Jones appear to have what it takes to be the best LHW in the world? Absolutely. But theres a reason why they have to fight, he has to prove it. Everyone thought BJ Penn was going to kill Pulver in the first fight.
    I am not arguing that at all. You are right. But my point is that Jones couldn't beat a more impressive fighter than Bader has beaten because he hasn't had that chance yet. But as far as Bader goes, he was coming off a win over Jardine...come on. Let's compare their records.

    Bader has beat: Nog, Jardine, Schafer, Marrero, Malgalhaes...Shafer being the only good fighter until Nog.

    Jones has beat: Matyushenko, Vera, Hamill (even though it was a DQ), O'Brien, Bonnar, and Gusmao.

    Jones' route to this fight was much tougher. It is quite obvious that the winner of TUF gets a little preferential treatment...IMO If you consider Lil Nog as a top 10 LHW, then that is who Jones should have fought instead of Bader fighting Lil Nog
  • 10-05-2010, 07:27 PM
    goodtimes
    Quote Originally Posted by TN94z View Post
    Bigger because Jones hasn't been given anyone of that level. That's the only reason.

    And I think Jones takes Bader in a destroying fashion
    Call me crazy, but I'm still in the school of thought that you need to beat some top 10 fighters before you can be considered a top 10. Does Jones appear to have what it takes to be the best LHW in the world? Absolutely. But theres a reason why they have to fight, he has to prove it. Everyone thought BJ Penn was going to kill Pulver in the first fight.

    Like I said earlier, I am more impressed with Jones' style then I am with Bader's. But a win over Nogueira is much bigger then a win over Vera or Matyushenko. I think Jones will beat Bader, but to completely neglect the danger his style possesses is an oversight I'm sure Jones will not make, even though plenty of people will write this off as a guaranteed win.
  • 10-05-2010, 07:03 PM
    Chute_Boxe44
    Quote Originally Posted by CtGreat View Post
    Honestly, some people on here are never satisfied. Some posters thought that hammil would bully him; he didnt. Some thought that vera would submit him or whoop him in the standup; he didnt. Some thought that Vlad would bully him around the cage and be an extreme challenge; he didnt fare better than anyone else did. Now bader is here, and those same posters are saying that Jones is still unproven and that Bader is going to trump him; and the thing is, even if Jones was to go out there and knock out bader on the feet or take him down and get a tko, THEY WILL STILL SAY THAT HES UNPROVEN. Fact is, nothing will please these people and no matter what Jones does, they will still say that hes overhyped and hasn't been tested.
    I have to completly agree with this, I can just picture it now. If he was to go out and finish Bader (which I see him doing) everyone will just be saying "wait till he gets in there with a real top 5 fighter like Rampage, he'll get exposed!!".

    He has already earned my respect and I can honestly see him beating most of the top ten fighters and being more then a handful for any top five. I honestly can't say the same for Bader.
  • 10-05-2010, 06:44 PM
    TN94z
    Quote Originally Posted by goodtimes View Post
    Also, a win over Nogueira is bigger then what Jones has managed to do imo.
    Bigger because Jones hasn't been given anyone of that level. That's the only reason.

    And I think Jones takes Bader in a destroying fashion
  • 10-05-2010, 06:33 PM
    CtGreat
    Quote Originally Posted by Supe View Post
    I think Jones was hoping to get a top 5 "big name" opponent. If he got a fight with someone like Forrest, Machida, Rampage and won in convincing fashion he would be in line for a title shot. He pounds the shit out of Bader he's still going to be a big fight vs a big name opponent away from a title shot. This is where i see his frustration.

    P.S. Whoever stated before that Jones was gonna get pounded by Bader and KTFO...I'd love to make a year long sig bet on that one.
    Honestly, some people on here are never satisfied. Some posters thought that hammil would bully him; he didnt. Some thought that vera would submit him or whoop him in the standup; he didnt. Some thought that Vlad would bully him around the cage and be an extreme challenge; he didnt fare better than anyone else did. Now bader is here, and those same posters are saying that Jones is still unproven and that Bader is going to trump him; and the thing is, even if Jones was to go out there and knock out bader on the feet or take him down and get a tko, THEY WILL STILL SAY THAT HES UNPROVEN. Fact is, nothing will please these people and no matter what Jones does, they will still say that hes overhyped and hasn't been tested.
  • 10-05-2010, 05:03 PM
    Supe
    I think Jones was hoping to get a top 5 "big name" opponent. If he got a fight with someone like Forrest, Machida, Rampage and won in convincing fashion he would be in line for a title shot. He pounds the shit out of Bader he's still going to be a big fight vs a big name opponent away from a title shot. This is where i see his frustration.

    P.S. Whoever stated before that Jones was gonna get pounded by Bader and KTFO...I'd love to make a year long sig bet on that one.
  • 10-05-2010, 03:22 PM
    b1uef1ow
    Quote Originally Posted by joeodd2 View Post
    That "win" was bullshit. Jone's has shown more in his fights when asked to step up. Bader just looked for take downs and tried not to get ktfo by Nogeria.....
    What's he suppose to do? Not look for take downs and try to get ktfo by Lil Nog?
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