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  • 10-30-2010, 10:25 PM
    Dan
    One of the most important thngs about this article is this:
    "I don't think I'm going to make any public announcements because I don't think anybody's going to buy it."
    With Randy having retired a few years back, only to come out of retirement to face (and beat) Tim Sylvia for the HW title, no one is going to really believe him if he says he retires again, but we'd all like to think Randy is going to be fighting forever, but I think we all know that Couture's career is coming to an end.

    Sure he's always in amazing shape, he's an incredible fighter, and he defies the aging process, but now seems like the perfect time for Couture to hang up the gloves. I'd hate more than anything to see Couture's career (and legacy) go the same way as Ken Shamrock's. Don't get me wrong, the two are very different in that Couture can still fight at the highest level (and win), but there will come at time fairly soon (within the next two years imo) when he simply won't pose a threat to any of the new breed fighters. I'm sure Tito's recent fight again Hamill made Randy think a little more about this.

    He'll always be a legend, and I'm sure it won't be the last we see of Couture (outside of the octagon), but maybe it's for the best.
  • 10-30-2010, 09:20 PM
    m1ckeykn0x
    - Randy VS Cro Cop would be terrible in this point of time. Absolutely terrible. If Mir can easily control CC against the cage, yeah... Cro Cop doesn't have shit for Randy. Shit. Except to give him another win.

    - Randy VS Tito, again? ...seriously? Just like Cro Cop, and almost as bad, this fight would just give Randy another win. Tito poses no threat whatsoever. The fight wouldn't benefit anyone, including us. I love watching Tito lose but it's boring now, unless he gets KTFO.

    -Randy VS Coleman would have been all that if it was 10 years ago. Mark Coleman is old and worn now and has been for quite a while. His wins against Shogun and Bonnar speak for themselves. His abilities are in no way comparable to Randy's in this point of time. It was like watching someones grandpa get beat up.

    - Randy VS Any of the top guys at LHW would just make us sad. If you believe that Randy would dominate Shogun or Machida, or any of them, you are delusional. Let alone any of the up and coming top LHW's, not to mention HW's. If Randy takes a shot to his jaw, he is going down and he knows it. He would get knocked out.

    I love Randy and I wish he could still keep fighting though. He is a great icon to the sport.

    P.S. I was thinking about the Couture/Coleman fight and it made me laugh. I could just imagine Randy smiling on the inside when it was clear the shape of Coleman. "Ha-ha. My old-man's body is better than yours."
  • 10-30-2010, 08:54 PM
    stpierrecanada
    Either way, Randy is a true legend of the sport and whatever he chooses I will support him. He will always be recognized as an all time MMA great.
  • 10-30-2010, 08:25 PM
    killakem1
    Quote Originally Posted by YukonJordan View Post
    Thats fair. I was just sort looking at it from the perspective of Coleman looking like a shell of an MMA fighter almost the same way Toney was. I suppose could have reworded it to say "inconsequencial fights" instead of freakshow.
    "inconsequencial fights" now that i would agree with.
  • 10-30-2010, 02:51 PM
    kickass32
    Quote Originally Posted by born2kill View Post
    I didnt say he would outwrestle Jones. So his wrestling against vera is irrelevant. I think he would/could grind out decision against Jones with a dirty boxing like he did with vera. He may slip in a takedown since jones legs are so long, but its not how i envision he wins the fight. And its not an easy win, I give him a 50/50 chance

    Against Shogun and Machida, I see Randy catching them and taking them down and dominating. It might take a few minutes to catch em, but I dont see them KOing him quicker than he can catch em. He doesnt have a glass jaw.

    Against Rashad, they'll probably trade takedowns. Rashad has better knees, randy has better hands and elbows. I think he decisions Rashad too.
    Here's my take for what it's worth........I don't think Randy has a chance to get close enough to Jones to get any dirty boxing in. Jones is too fast for Randy, and Jones picks him apart all day until the brutal KO. Against Machida, I see much the same outcome as the Jones fight...Machida with his angles, and punches and kicks coming from nowhere, I see Randy ending up pretty much like Rashad did in his fight with Lyoto. Rashad...I think Rashad has better hands then Randy, by far...Rashad does to Randy what Chuck did to him twice IMO.....Ironically I see Randy's best matchup against Shogun, but Randy's strength, Dirty boxing in the clinch, also plays into Shogun's strength, the dreaded Muay Thai clinch, and I see Randy taking a nap in this fight too.
  • 10-30-2010, 02:11 PM
    born2kill
    Quote Originally Posted by goodtimes View Post
    Randy couldn't really take down Vera; Bones took him down with ease. No one has been able to take Machida down, so I don't know why you would just assume Randy could. I would not want to see Randy fight Jones, Machida, Rashad, Shogun, Bader, or Rampage. I think him fighting any of these fighters would end brutally. And really I think he knows that, otherwise he wouldn't say what he said.

    But I do think it's really cool that a guy his age has still been competitive, fighting some very solid guys. I've been a fan of Randy for a while, and think he still has a few good fights left in him.
    I didnt say he would outwrestle Jones. So his wrestling against vera is irrelevant. I think he would/could grind out decision against Jones with a dirty boxing like he did with vera. He may slip in a takedown since jones legs are so long, but its not how i envision he wins the fight. And its not an easy win, I give him a 50/50 chance

    Against Shogun and Machida, I see Randy catching them and taking them down and dominating. It might take a few minutes to catch em, but I dont see them KOing him quicker than he can catch em. He doesnt have a glass jaw.

    Against Rashad, they'll probably trade takedowns. Rashad has better knees, randy has better hands and elbows. I think he decisions Rashad too.
  • 10-30-2010, 11:59 AM
    YukonJordan
    Quote Originally Posted by killakem1 View Post
    agree with most of your post but the bold i have to address..

    yes the toney fight was a freak show but how is the mark coleman fight a freak show? it was the first time 2 ufc hall of famers fought and was a ledgend fight (people are calling for cc/randy just based on that its a ledgend fight)

    yes you can make the argument that coleman is passed his prime but look at his previous 5 fights. hes 2-3 in those with wins over shogun (i know a fluke with shogun breaking his arm) and bonnar and loses to shogun, randy and fedor.

    i for one wouldnt call the coleman fight a freakshow. it was a fight between 2 pioneers of the sport. not the most competitive but a fight between 2 ledgends, 2 hall of famers, and 2 pioneers of the sport.
    Thats fair. I was just sort looking at it from the perspective of Coleman looking like a shell of an MMA fighter almost the same way Toney was. I suppose could have reworded it to say "inconsequencial fights" instead of freakshow.
  • 10-30-2010, 09:31 AM
    killakem1
    Quote Originally Posted by YukonJordan View Post
    I would complain. The fans don't need Randy to have another undesrved titleshot.

    Randy is awesome for what he done for the sport but I think in 30 years when we look back on MMA it will be his accomplishments outside of the fighting aspect that really helped MMA. His demeanor, professionalism and candor will all be missed.

    He's a tough fight for most people but I still think the beloved admiration he recieves isn't in line where he actually is as a fighter. Take out his two last "freakshow" fights and his record is 17-10.
    agree with most of your post but the bold i have to address..

    yes the toney fight was a freak show but how is the mark coleman fight a freak show? it was the first time 2 ufc hall of famers fought and was a ledgend fight (people are calling for cc/randy just based on that its a ledgend fight)

    yes you can make the argument that coleman is passed his prime but look at his previous 5 fights. hes 2-3 in those with wins over shogun (i know a fluke with shogun breaking his arm) and bonnar and loses to shogun, randy and fedor.

    i for one wouldnt call the coleman fight a freakshow. it was a fight between 2 pioneers of the sport. not the most competitive but a fight between 2 ledgends, 2 hall of famers, and 2 pioneers of the sport.
  • 10-30-2010, 09:19 AM
    goodtimes
    Quote Originally Posted by born2kill View Post
    Not really. His wrestling would eat up machida and shogun. His dirty boxing causes fits for rashad and bones.
    Randy couldn't really take down Vera; Bones took him down with ease. No one has been able to take Machida down, so I don't know why you would just assume Randy could. I would not want to see Randy fight Jones, Machida, Rashad, Shogun, Bader, or Rampage. I think him fighting any of these fighters would end brutally. And really I think he knows that, otherwise he wouldn't say what he said.

    But I do think it's really cool that a guy his age has still been competitive, fighting some very solid guys. I've been a fan of Randy for a while, and think he still has a few good fights left in him.
  • 10-30-2010, 07:43 AM
    YukonJordan
    Quote Originally Posted by The Return Of...... View Post
    im sure it would be difficult for him to make another title run. in reality he needs a win or 2 against some of the top guys to get a title shot if he wasnt randy couture.

    however, in the event that rashad gets hurt about the time shogun gets healthy, randy would make an excellent replacement that no one would complain about skipping ahead and filling in for a title fight
    I would complain. The fans don't need Randy to have another undesrved titleshot.

    Randy is awesome for what he done for the sport but I think in 30 years when we look back on MMA it will be his accomplishments outside of the fighting aspect that really helped MMA. His demeanor, professionalism and candor will all be missed.

    He's a tough fight for most people but I still think the beloved admiration he recieves isn't in line where he actually is as a fighter. Take out his two last "freakshow" fights and his record is 17-10.
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