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  • 12-06-2010, 10:03 PM
    SWIFTboy
    Quote Originally Posted by CHAEL fan View Post
    Really? How is his trash talking any worse than your disdain for anything Zuffa related? Talk about being a hypocrite.
    One is a professional athlete, representing his growing sport in the national media.
    One is an amateur internet poster, representing a certain Russian's generative glands to a small internet community.
    The differences seem pretty clear to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by CHAEL fan View Post
    What cracks me up is now people are coming out of the woodwork saying "I BELIEVED IN CHAEL FROM THE BEGINNING!".....yeah right, GTFO! 99% of the people on this board had him guilty before he could tell his side of the story.
    Did you know that 76% of statistics are made up on the spot?

    If it makes you feel better, I have disliked Chael an equal amount throughout this whole ordeal. Which to be specific is: somewhat.
  • 12-06-2010, 02:56 AM
    Rise
    Quote Originally Posted by rivethead View Post
    Actually, for a brief period right after the injection, an HRT patient's numbers can be all over the board, and potentially reach that level, depending on a variety of issues.

    My question is that if Sonnen is self-administering, and he knew he had a test scheduled with the AC, why not wait till after the test to take his shot? Particularly if he had been doing it for a couple years now, it should be pretty routine.

    I found the rest of your unanswered questions valid, and would love to hear legitimate responses.

    rh
    I've heard that the numbers can be high after just taking a shot, but haven't seen alot of discussion on the numbers and how long they should or shouldn't be that high.

    Also great question I'm a little puzzled by that as well why would you take a shot that close to an event.

    I read elsewhere that Chael couldn't give a straight answer on the amount of testosterone he was injecting that seems really odd if your self injecting.
  • 12-06-2010, 12:30 AM
    Esox Express
    Quote Originally Posted by CHAEL fan View Post
    What cracks me up is now people are coming out of the woodwork saying "I BELIEVED IN CHAEL FROM THE BEGINNING!".....yeah right, GTFO! 99% of the people on this board had him guilty before he could tell his side of the story.
    I'm not sure too many people are saying that. I'm also not sure that this even convinced many people that he is "innocent".
  • 12-05-2010, 11:22 PM
    Sakara=Excitement
    Quote Originally Posted by Degenero View Post
    Why the fuck would you go eating a crow for?
    That actually made me laugh out loud.
  • 12-05-2010, 10:50 PM
    CHAEL fan
    Quote Originally Posted by Degenero View Post
    Why the fuck would you go eating a crow for?
    What cracks me up is now people are coming out of the woodwork saying "I BELIEVED IN CHAEL FROM THE BEGINNING!".....yeah right, GTFO! 99% of the people on this board had him guilty before he could tell his side of the story.
  • 12-05-2010, 10:28 PM
    Sniggles
    Quote Originally Posted by Sakara=Excitement View Post
    Wow so it seems like Chael was telling the truth. Hey everyone, has does that "crow" taste? And if you don't know what I mean...then you are fucking stupid.
    Why the fuck would you go eating a crow for?
  • 12-05-2010, 09:42 PM
    rivethead
    Quote Originally Posted by optimusjoel View Post
    Your basing your whole case against Sonnen on his potrayal of himself to the media. He came in to my restaurant once a few years ago around the time Ben Rothwell got signed to the UFC ( He was wearing a Rothwell Shirt and I was like oh I heard he just signed to the UFC), which was way before most people knew who he was. He was nothing like how he acts now, in fact he was really quiet and polite. He ate with his family, hung around a while and left. He really seemed just like everyone else. Somewhere along the line I think he realised no one really cared who he is, so he figured out a way to get peoples attention, hence the Sonnen we see today.
    Sooooo...I'm reserving judgment on his ethics and integrity based on his decision--for whatever reasons, he still made a decision--to portray himself as a liar with the media and potential legal issues that derailed his career. Which isn't nearly as accurate as seeing him in person for maybe a whole entire hour 4 years ago.

    Sure...that makes sense. If he didn't skip out on one meal or stiff the waitress on a tip--again, years ago--well, then; today, he must be a superduper trustworthy guy, and we should believe everything he says 100%, right?

    Thanks for clearing that up for me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rise View Post
    - Chael's test was rated at 4 times the acceptable limit and 17 times the normal limits. Why are his numbers so high? Bearing in mind his treatment should only be bringing him up to acceptable levels
    Actually, for a brief period right after the injection, an HRT patient's numbers can be all over the board, and potentially reach that level, depending on a variety of issues.

    My question is that if Sonnen is self-administering, and he knew he had a test scheduled with the AC, why not wait till after the test to take his shot? Particularly if he had been doing it for a couple years now, it should be pretty routine.

    I found the rest of your unanswered questions valid, and would love to hear legitimate responses.

    rh
  • 12-05-2010, 02:58 PM
    Rise
    Quote Originally Posted by CHAEL fan View Post
    You obviously didn't do a very good job of reading then.
    I'll put it this way your a fan of Chael and you support his version of events and that's fine. I see enough gaps in his stories and a total lack of effort on the CSAC part to prove their case to think otherwise.

    If you can explain to me how it is the following happened then I'll maybe change my mind...

    - Chael's test was rated at 4 times the acceptable limit and 17 times the normal limits. Why are his numbers so high? Bearing in mind his treatment should only be bringing him up to acceptable levels
    - Why are two of the conversations that were supposedly had about his condition with CSAC/NSAC reps not being backed up?. He supposedly talked to Keith Kizer about this who says the conversation never took place. Also there is no record of a phone call from the Lidland to the CSAC before the Okami fight.
    - Why after 7 fights is his need for testosterone just coming to the the athletic commissions attention. How has it not come to light before in the 4 other fights he was tested. If I'm Sonnen and his trainer I'm making sure that I'm exempt and everything is taken care of which it clearly wasn't.

    Quote Originally Posted by IceCold48 View Post
    how is having a disorder where you dont grow through puberty and have small balls cheating? he had all the paper work done and they fucked up more or less. did you even watch the hearing? hes had the doctor approval for every fight and told them at the piss session and dobbs said he doesnt remember.
    If he had paperwork done this wouldn't have gone to trial period. The onus is on him as a fighter to make sure he has the necessary exemptions all in advance of fighting and he didn't. He might wanna check on Nevada as well seen as the supposed clearance he has to do it there is not true either. Also I'm not accepting his doctors word at face value I'd prefer to see the word of someone independent and not being paid by the defendant offer their input.
  • 12-05-2010, 11:53 AM
    optimusjoel
    Quote Originally Posted by rivethead View Post
    I think the truth is probably closer to he has an issue, and the opportunity presents itself to gain an edge, and he took it. My issue is that Sonnen has already illustrated that he's willing to say anything at all and has no sense of conscience or obligation to what comes out of his mouth. I'm not going to comment on the ongoing legal investigation that has currently derailed his political career, because it's unresolved and I don't know much about it...but I don't see him as a person with integrity.

    So if he got a doctor to sign a script, I can see him misusing it.

    Boosted testosterone, used long term [and two years would qualify, as well as future] has been proven to be performance enhancing: building muscle mass, increasing muscle performance, increased recovery time, as well as increased aggression and drive.

    rh
    Your basing your whole case against Sonnen on his potrayal of himself to the media. He came in to my restaurant once a few years ago around the time Ben Rothwell got signed to the UFC ( He was wearing a Rothwell Shirt and I was like oh I heard he just signed to the UFC), which was way before most people knew who he was. He was nothing like how he acts now, in fact he was really quiet and polite. He ate with his family, hung around a while and left. He really seemed just like everyone else. Somewhere along the line I think he realised no one really cared who he is, so he figured out a way to get peoples attention, hence the Sonnen we see today.
  • 12-05-2010, 12:47 AM
    rivethead
    Quote Originally Posted by IceCold48 View Post
    i just dont see why you would go to such great lengths to do testosterone if in faxt hes lying. does it really affect you THAT much? i doubt it.
    I think the truth is probably closer to he has an issue, and the opportunity presents itself to gain an edge, and he took it. My issue is that Sonnen has already illustrated that he's willing to say anything at all and has no sense of conscience or obligation to what comes out of his mouth. I'm not going to comment on the ongoing legal investigation that has currently derailed his political career, because it's unresolved and I don't know much about it...but I don't see him as a person with integrity.

    So if he got a doctor to sign a script, I can see him misusing it.

    Boosted testosterone, used long term [and two years would qualify, as well as future] has been proven to be performance enhancing: building muscle mass, increasing muscle performance, increased recovery time, as well as increased aggression and drive.

    rh
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