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  • 12-06-2010, 10:06 PM
    joeodd2
    Quote Originally Posted by magster View Post
    Looks Like Nam gave himself plenty of loving during the show...
  • 12-06-2010, 08:04 PM
    magster
    Quote Originally Posted by joeodd2 View Post
    "Asian brother just can't get no love..." LOL, poor Nam, ....
    Looks Like Nam gave himself plenty of loving during the show...
  • 12-06-2010, 07:25 PM
    MMA4EVERRR
    LOL at that sherdog writer who thought Garcia outstruck Nam 3-1 in the 1st round...did he even watch that fight?

    Plus, its not just the win on his resume that he got robbed of, but his win bonus as well...I hope Dana compensated Nam for his missed win bonus..he deserved one by all means
  • 12-06-2010, 07:16 PM
    initial_zen
    Quote Originally Posted by IceCold48 View Post
    and that thing where sakara quoted everyone is retarded you could do that for so many fights.
    i agree, i guess we shouldn't post fight predictions unless we're psychic?
  • 12-06-2010, 06:22 PM
    Sakara=Excitement
    Stats Confirm That Phan/Garcia Decision Was Indeed Bullshit

    http://www.cagepotato.com/stats-conf...eed-bullshit-0


    (Apparently, leaving your face open for repeated blows means you're "dictating the action." Photo courtesy of UFC.com)

    Well, another Leonard Garcia fight is in the books, which means it's time to ask the judges, once again: Are you guys totally blind, or just legally blind, so that, you know, you can make out shapes and degrees of light, that kind of thing?

    Garcia's split-decision victory over Nam Phan at Saturday's TUF 12 Finale elicited immediate chants of "Bullshit!" from the Las Vegas fans, as well as a lengthy anti-NSAC rant from Joe Rogan. Did the judges see something we didn't? Am I just biased by the fact that Phan is a likable underdog, and Garcia's striking is an aesthetic nightmare that I can't stand watching?

    Well, no, as it turns out. According to FightMetric's report on Phan/Garcia, the match should have been scored a 30-27 for Phan based solely on statistical effectiveness. Phan landed more "significant strikes" in every round, with only the first round being close (33-30 significant strikes in Phan's favor). The second round was an obvious runaway for Phan (34-13 in the s.s. department, with a brief knockdown via side-kick) and the third was also a clear win for Phan (35-21). The only advantage Garcia had was his two takedowns (one apiece in rounds 2 and 3), neither of which led to any real damage.

    But in the end, only one judge, Junichiro Kamijo, gave all three rounds to Phan. Adalaide Byrd and Tony Weeks saw it 29-28 for Garcia, meaning they both gave rounds 1 and 3 to Bad Boy, which is absolutely insane. One brief takedown in round three surpasses getting picked apart for the majority of the period? (By the way, Adalaide Bryd's previous career highlights include scoring the Akiyama/Belcher fight at UFC 100 a 30-27 shutout for Akiyama.)

    Yesterday, Sherdog's Jason Probst did his best to defend the Garcia/Phan decision, which even Leonard Garcia seemed to disagree with at the time:

    "While it was a close fight, there was no clear reason for giving Phan the first round, where Garcia out-landed him 3-to-1 and dictated most of the action. The second round was clearly Phan’s, and the third was pretty much a pick-‘em."

    Okay, first of all, the numbers clearly show that Garcia did not out-land Phan 3-to-1 in the first round — just LOL at that shit — and the third round was absolutely not a "pick-'em." Most of us didn't need a stats report to figure that out. But more importantly, I think, is Garcia's history of consistently winning decisions like this. Against Phan, Chan Sung Jung, and his earlier split-decision win over Jameel Massouh, Garcia has fought through many rounds that could have "gone either way," as lazy analysts might tell you. And yet the vast majority of those coin-flip rounds go to Garcia. Even when he was dominated by Mark Hominick at WEC 51, one judge actually called the fight for Leonard.

    Now why is that? What are the judges really looking for when they judge fights, if they're not looking at striking totals, effective grappling, and overall offensive efficiency? Specifically, why do they love Leonard Garcia so goddamned much? Is it because he throws everything into every one of his shots? Is it because he smiles at his opponents between rounds, pushes forward in the face of abuse, and seems generally unfazed by most of the strikes that land across his chin? Is it because of the loud noises he makes when whiffing those horrible left hooks of his? Do they appreciate that he usually enters round 3 completely gassed, but manages to stagger through to the last bell?

    I think the judges in Garcia's fights see a guy standing in the middle of the Octagon launching power-shot after power-shot and figure that he's actively trying to finish the fight, no matter if those shots are landing or not. Jabs and body shots just aren't dramatic enough for the judges, even when they are landing. It's the new evolution of Stockton Rules — scoring the fight not by who would have won if the fight went on indefinitely, but who would have won if his punches actually landed, hypothetically speaking. Yes, that's ridiculous, but I don't know any other way to explain it.
  • 12-06-2010, 03:46 PM
    Frasedog
    Phan got robbed, plain and simple. Its sad and this kind of crap needs to stop. It good that Rogan is so vocal, because some one with some influence has to say so. Thank you Joe!
  • 12-06-2010, 03:02 PM
    MetalHead75
    What's real shitty is the fact that this was the UFC's first ever featherweight fight, and instead of being remembered as a fight that set the tone for some great future fights, it will instead will be mainly remembered by fans as a clusterfuck.
  • 12-06-2010, 10:01 AM
    joeodd2
    "Asian brother just can't get no love..." LOL, poor Nam, personally I think he won the Micheal Johnson fight too, but this was a straight up prison rape. Worst decision I'd seen this year, there was one on the xfc card that came close....
  • 12-06-2010, 06:57 AM
    Xtremo
    Sakara, you didn't have to go and post this:

    Quote Originally Posted by Sakara=Excitement View Post
    Oh the morning after...usually rough and full of regret,
    You basically went on and bashed the posters for being wrong, but you know they had every reason to believe that Leonard Garcia could have won that fight legitimately...no need to go and lowlight everyone like that...like someone else said, everyone gets picks wrong...

    And IceCold48...No need to fighter bash (calling Nam a bitch), just saying "I dislike Phan because..." would have been good...

    Quote Originally Posted by AngryJohnny View Post
    Has Dana chimed in with public statement yet? I could use a dose of humor today.
    What sucks is that Ariel Helwani went to the Strikeforce card instead of TUF Finale..I definitely would have loved to see what Dana would have to say about the decision...

    As for the judging, why not have more than 3 judges per fight, like say 5, that way, there is no way in hell that out of those five judges, the majority would have still scored it for Garcia...
  • 12-06-2010, 06:19 AM
    The Return Of......
    theres really nothing relevant to add here. nam got screwed and we all know it. i just wanted to say that this was one of the more entertaining threads i have read in a while.
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