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  • 12-15-2010, 11:57 PM
    McTee
    Quote Originally Posted by YukonJordan View Post
    It's not only his reach advantage but the way he gets to his opponents so quickly. And by throwing the straight punch any kind of hook or looping punch from his opponent really has no shot of connecting.

    If St. Pierre hadn't learned after fighting in the pocket with Serra the first time he very well could have 2-3 more losses on his record.
    I agree.

    I loved watching for 5 rounds as GSP would dart in with hard jabs or combos and Koscheck was left swinging at thin air like a kitten swatting at string.

    I hope Kos watches that fight again and sees how foolish and incapable he looked, especially considering that GSP did exactly what Koscheck challenged him to do, stand up with him.
  • 12-15-2010, 05:30 PM
    singinkangaroooo
    Quote Originally Posted by v3xi View Post
    I dont think many people saw the way GSP fought coming...
    kinda like how Randy broke GGs nose early in the first and screwed GG up for good... took him out of his game plan and even with a broken arm Randy man handled him..

    early injuries are crazy and thats another part of MMA that makes it unpredictable (i hate betting on). What if Kos landed a right that broke GSPs orbital early in the first? (by the odds of MMA) would we have said we knew that was coming because that was his strategy.. to just throw a looping right? i think probably...

    but GSPs jab you till youre facemeat strategy was pretty interesting.. he comes up with different gameplans for each fight so the only way to really prepare to fight him is to prepare against your self/own weaknesses...
  • 12-14-2010, 10:58 PM
    YukonJordan
    Quote Originally Posted by McTee View Post
    We see rivethead posting a lot about the importance of the reach advantage that GSP has on many opponents.

    I think Koscheck should have read a few of them.
    It's not only his reach advantage but the way he gets to his opponents so quickly. And by throwing the straight punch any kind of hook or looping punch from his opponent really has no shot of connecting.

    If St. Pierre hadn't learned after fighting in the pocket with Serra the first time he very well could have 2-3 more losses on his record.
  • 12-14-2010, 08:40 PM
    v3xi
    Quote Originally Posted by McTee View Post
    We see rivethead posting a lot about the importance of the reach advantage that GSP has on many opponents.

    I think Koscheck should have read a few of them.
    I dont think many people saw the way GSP fought coming...
  • 12-14-2010, 08:32 PM
    McTee
    We see rivethead posting a lot about the importance of the reach advantage that GSP has on many opponents.

    I think Koscheck should have read a few of them.
  • 12-14-2010, 08:25 PM
    beau420
    Can someone explain to me why it deserved a Fight of the Night?

    One of the most lopsided decision victories by GSP in his career (strongly due to his gameplan) and Josh gets a bonus?

    Undeserving. Other fights on the card deserved it....fights on the undercard Rafael Natal vs Bongfeldt deserved it or Sean Pierson vs Matt Riddle....or John Makdessi vs Audinwood. Makdessi vs Audinwood was a dominant performance but Audinwood kept moving forward and throwing punches. Josh kept moving forward and then not throwing...then getting punched in the face 2-3 times and then throwing a punch into the air.

    I think they gave Josh the bonus because he was respectful and quashed the whole situation and tried to defuse the fans and make himself likable....nothing to do with his performance in the cage. The Kos that Kos was trying to tell the world about didn't show up.

    In my opinion he did not deserve the bonus.....maybe give GSP a domination bonus, but just being there to punch doesn't warrant a bonus. Maybe I'm just being hard on him, but I think there were other fighters on the card that have much smaller contracts and earned far less money for fighting much harder than Josh did...risking far more than Josh did. Josh had a shot at the belt and with 40 seconds left in the last round he was simply looking up at the clock for the fight to finish....he had given up and wasn't risking everything he could do.

    I think Josh got the bonus for being a good company man, not for being a Fight of the Night.

    There were 2 submissions and both guys split $50k....on a card that has over 4.6 million at the gate.....Lesnar vs Velasquez got a little more than HALF of that.

    I was surprised that there weren't more bonus' dealt out....but this doesn't have much to do with fight metrics.

    Back to CompuStrike or fight metrics...the UFC really needs to start tracking that shit during the fight. Numerous times during the Kos vs GSP fight me and my friends really wanted to know the numbers on how many jabs GSP threw and it sucks that it takes 2 days just for that information to come out (officially) I am sure the UFC has someone on staff that could keep tally on strikes....Strikeforce car do it with the help or CompuStrike.

    PS....guess most my post belonged here - http://www.mmanews.com/forums/genera...-its-over.html
  • 12-14-2010, 07:49 PM
    earle
    Quote Originally Posted by Masscore View Post
    This would be true with most fighters. But the scariest thing about GSP is that since he has basically taken no damage in over 3 years (first Serra fight), he could still be competing at a high level for another 5 or so years. Most guys start to fall out of their prime because they have taken some damage along the way. But really when was the last time we say GSP leave with a mark on his face?
    This is very true. For e.g. look at Wandy when he was 30, very damaged, night and day between these two.
  • 12-14-2010, 01:50 PM
    The Donosaur
    Awesome striking display by GSP...Super gutsy display of toughness on Koschecks part...
  • 12-14-2010, 11:12 AM
    Goremire
    Quote Originally Posted by YukonJordan View Post
    I don't know, when you get you're orbital bone broken 30 seconds into the fight pretty much your whole gameplan gets thrown out the window.
    Fair comment.
  • 12-14-2010, 09:57 AM
    YukonJordan
    Quote Originally Posted by Goremire View Post
    Man oh man, watching it live it was obvious Koscheck was taking a whuppin’, but seeing it broken down like that just displays with stark clarity exactly how outclassed he was in the striking game by GSP.

    I’m so thoroughly disappointed in Koscheck’s game plan, and feel like it was an absolute waste of a title shot. It’s like he assumed that if he could keep the fight standing all he needed to do was land the overhand right and that would be all she wrote. Come to think of it, I’m pretty sure that was his game plan in the first fight, so neg’d for lack of innovation in his fight strategy. For all his talk about how his game has evolved – and while he was more competitive in his wrestling – his tired, played out strategy on the feet doomed his effort from the get go.


    One of the most shocking things about the results is that Koscheck only threw three leg kicks in the entire fight. THREE. A steady diet of thumping leg kicks (preferably at the end of punching combinations thrown with the emphasis on speed and technique, not power) could have slowed GSP up over time, accumulated points, prevented GSP form dictating the striking range and most importantly, reduced the effectiveness of GSP’s jab. If he could have got GSP checking them then it could have opened the door for takedowns as well.

    GSP is an incredibly talented fighter who may go on to be one of the greatest of all time – if he isn’t there already. He certainly doesn’t need any assistance from his opponent in the form of a deeply flawed game-plan to win in dominant fashion.
    I don't know, when you get you're orbital bone broken 30 seconds into the fight pretty much your whole gameplan gets thrown out the window.
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