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  • 12-15-2010, 11:48 PM
    Dan
    My own interpretation of what happened was this - Oliveira has an extremely, extremely active game from his back, he was working for triangles and all sorts of submissions from his back and was extremely aggressive. I think this was his downfall, he partly underestimated Miller's ground game in so far as he was not concerned with his submission defence and what opportunities he was affording Miller when he was working unsuccessfully for submission. I think this is why Oliveira was so surprised when he got caught, because he genuinely didn't see it coming because he wasn't that concerned. I don't think it's cocky, I just think it was, as he said, a silly mistake.

    I'm sure Oliveira will come back stronger in the next fight and more aware of the holes in his BJJ game. I can't wait to see him fight again, I love watching his fluid BJJ and it's a shame the fight ended so early and we didn't get to see more.
  • 12-15-2010, 02:09 PM
    IceCold48
    Quote Originally Posted by Sakara=Excitement View Post
    You missed what I was saying completely. Once Miller latched on to his leg, Oliveira looked bored almost, like he could care less. I'm not saying he disrespected by taking the fight to the ground, I'm saying his body language seemed disrespectful once Miller starting working for the sub. Like Oliveira could care less what was happening. Miller is a legit BJJ Black Belt and I think Oliveira showed him no respect, like he would easily get out of the hold.
    yea i did your right. he has this cocky swag about him. its annoying but hes excting as hell imo. those hammerfists were retarded what did he think he was going to accomplish?

    also i dont get how a black belt submitting a purple belt is considered an upset.
  • 12-15-2010, 07:18 AM
    beau420
    Quote Originally Posted by IceCold48 View Post
    well what did you expect him to try and do? he got taken down right away when your on your back you should try and submit your opponent it dont think thats cocky.

    he probably had a better chance of subbing miller since his bjj is awesome then would getting out on bottom with a bigger wrestler on top of him. i dont see it as cocky at all.

    however, they way he came in at the weighins and even the walkout was some cocky shit he had like a separate pair of clothes over his sponsored clothes so he could rock the baggy jeans big chain shit. i didnt think it translated into his actual fighting though but thats jsut me.
    I would take a look at the Gracie Breakdown I posted here - http://www.mmanews.com/forums/mma-pi...tml#post775819

    He was cocky....when he saw Miller go for the toe hold he could care less and started hammerfisting the ribs, he could have easily just turned his leg out and kept turning out of it.

    Call it cocky or disregard for Miller's ground game. If you can submit a guy like Duane Ludwig or you can control Mark Bocek for 2 rounds and not get in any danger, then you should respect their ground game.

    Definitely a learning experience and I hope it doesn't change his ferocity and his aggressiveness.

    Thinking that Miller is predominately a wrestler was wrong....one of the strongest wrestlers in the Miller family, but probably one of the best strikers of the Miller's and maybe the 3rd best Miller on the ground....behind his cousins Cole and Micah.

    Jim is a great fighter and I hope he gets a shot. He is so well rounded in all aspects and he has demonstrated that he can put together a great gameplan.
  • 12-15-2010, 05:34 AM
    stpierrecanada
    Oliveira is an outstanding fighter and this loss will make him a lot better of a fighter, I can say that confidently. Miller is also a great fighter and the fight could have gone either way. Miller has an underrated ground game and he won the fight. Both are great fighters and Oliveira has much potential and this loss will make him a hell of a lot better.
  • 12-15-2010, 03:41 AM
    Sakara=Excitement
    Quote Originally Posted by IceCold48 View Post
    well what did you expect him to try and do? he got taken down right away when your on your back you should try and submit your opponent it dont think thats cocky.
    You missed what I was saying completely. Once Miller latched on to his leg, Oliveira looked bored almost, like he could care less. I'm not saying he disrespected by taking the fight to the ground, I'm saying his body language seemed disrespectful once Miller starting working for the sub. Like Oliveira could care less what was happening. Miller is a legit BJJ Black Belt and I think Oliveira showed him no respect, like he would easily get out of the hold.
  • 12-15-2010, 03:11 AM
    IceCold48
    Quote Originally Posted by Sakara=Excitement View Post



    I personally think Oliveira completely disrespected Jim Millers BJJ Black Belt and paid for it. Just watching Oliveira hanging out on the ground while Miller was working for the sub showed he had no regard for Millers ground skill and Miller made him tap for it. Don't sleep on your opponents Mr. Cocky.
    well what did you expect him to try and do? he got taken down right away when your on your back you should try and submit your opponent it dont think thats cocky.

    he probably had a better chance of subbing miller since his bjj is awesome then would getting out on bottom with a bigger wrestler on top of him. i dont see it as cocky at all.

    however, they way he came in at the weighins and even the walkout was some cocky shit he had like a separate pair of clothes over his sponsored clothes so he could rock the baggy jeans big chain shit. i didnt think it translated into his actual fighting though but thats jsut me.
  • 12-15-2010, 03:05 AM
    Ramma
    Quote Originally Posted by dgil View Post
    While I don't agree with the cocky part, I agree with everything else. I don't think he acted that way out of cockiness, I think he just thought he wasn't in trouble. Miller kept working for that toe hold and Oliveira was comfortable there, the second Miller changed to that knee bar is a different story though.
    Actually, judging his general expression on the ground, it was very similar to the lackadaisical look of Forrest against Rashad and Mir against Brock (II). It was a lack of concern. Cocky is often attached to an aggressive self-loving attitude, but it is still cocky to a degree.

    Call it cocky or overconfidence, it isn't a good thing either way.
  • 12-15-2010, 02:54 AM
    dgil
    Quote Originally Posted by Sakara=Excitement View Post
    Charles Oliveira: 'I Blinked and He Got Me' - Bloody Elbow



    I personally think Oliveira completely disrespected Jim Millers BJJ Black Belt and paid for it. Just watching Oliveira hanging out on the ground while Miller was working for the sub showed he had no regard for Millers ground skill and Miller made him tap for it. Don't sleep on your opponents Mr. Cocky.
    While I don't agree with the cocky part, I agree with everything else. I don't think he acted that way out of cockiness, I think he just thought he wasn't in trouble. Miller kept working for that toe hold and Oliveira was comfortable there, the second Miller changed to that knee bar is a different story though.
  • 12-15-2010, 02:46 AM
    Rise
    Quote Originally Posted by Sakara=Excitement View Post
    I personally think Oliveira completely disrespected Jim Millers BJJ Black Belt and paid for it. Just watching Oliveira hanging out on the ground while Miller was working for the sub showed he had no regard for Millers ground skill and Miller made him tap for it. Don't sleep on your opponents Mr. Cocky.
    Agreed think Oliveira might have believed some of that over hyping that he was getting and paid the price for it.
  • 12-14-2010, 06:12 PM
    Sakara=Excitement

    Charles Oliveira: 'I Blinked and He Got Me'

    Charles Oliveira: 'I Blinked and He Got Me' - Bloody Elbow

    Going into his bout with Jim Miller at UFC 124, Charles Oliveira was pulling a standing-room-only hype train. The undefeated 20 year old had submitted The Ultimate Fighter winner Efrain Escudero at UFC Fight Night 22 in a judo chop worthy performance. That win brought "do Bronx" to 2-0 in the UFC and 14-0 overall. Many fans expected him to blitz past Jim Miller and cruise into title contention, but it wasn't to be.

    Oliveira spoke to Tatame.com about his first loss:

    Tatame: What went wrong on the fight?

    Oliveira: The game plan has been set, but these things happen. I lost on that aspect I like the most, Jiu-Jitsu... It's a mistake I couldn't have done. At the time I was sad, but now I keep my head up, I'll return to my trainings and I'll hope Dana White to call me again. I can't lose my motivation. I've fought three times and won twice, I've lost to Jim Miller, a really tough guy. Everybody saw that I was on a good place at that fight. I blinked and he got me, a silly mistake.

    Tatame: Did you expected that he would try to take you down right on the beginning?

    Oliveira: No... I thought he'd try to fool me and trade some punches and then he's try to take me down, but it happened. I was running away from my Jiu-Jitsu, but he hit me with his elbow, I think, and I made a mistake and he got my feet. He said many crap, but it was a mistake I did and a quick move from him.

    Tatame: Many say that the first loss feels like a "relief", because you are no longer pressure by your unbeaten Mark... Do you believe that now you'll get more comfortable when you have another fight to do?

    Oliveira: There's no such thing... In all my fights I felt comfortable, moved forwards, independently of how many fights I had done. The only thing that changes is what Wanderlei, Shogun, Veio, Macaco, Thiago Pitbull, experienced guys, told me: "everybody was defeated once, and when you only win you lose your motivation". Now I know how it is to lose. When I won, I was happy, but today I've tasted the defeat and I no longer want it. I have to get more focused and become a better athlete. I don't want to get used to the losses, and I know how long it lasts.
    I personally think Oliveira completely disrespected Jim Millers BJJ Black Belt and paid for it. Just watching Oliveira hanging out on the ground while Miller was working for the sub showed he had no regard for Millers ground skill and Miller made him tap for it. Don't sleep on your opponents Mr. Cocky.

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