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  • 12-16-2010, 06:50 PM
    SWIFTboy
    Quote Originally Posted by Masscore View Post
    If BJ Penn wins, I think he would have to beat 2 or so top contenders. Hardy, Condit, Shields, Kos (yea I know it will never happen) or Kampmann. 2 or 3 of those guys. Plus Penn would either have to go back to LW or fight for the title.

    The winner of Penn/Fitch should fight the winner of Shields/GSP. The losers of both fights should probably fight as well.
    I agree he SHOULD have to beat 2-3 top contenders to get back, if he were to lose.

    I can totally imagine Dana coming out with some statement about Fitch being a 'choker' and 'at the back of the line' or something like that, unfortunately.
  • 12-16-2010, 06:33 PM
    Masscore
    Quote Originally Posted by SWIFTboy View Post
    I have none because whether or not I think he has a chance against GSP is irrelevent to me. If you earn the rematch, you earn the rematch.

    I could understand someone arguing that someone should have to take a longer road back to the title shot, if they've already had a chance against the current champion. GSp had to do this to get his second shot against Hughes. If Fitch beats BJ, he will have taken that harder road.

    My question to you is this: If BJ wins, how far back does that push Fitch? Will have have to win ANOTHER 6-7-8 fights to get back in the picture?
    If BJ Penn wins, I think he would have to beat 2 or so top contenders. Hardy, Condit, Shields, Kos (yea I know it will never happen) or Kampmann. 2 or 3 of those guys. Plus Penn would either have to go back to LW or fight for the title.

    The winner of Penn/Fitch should fight the winner of Shields/GSP. The losers of both fights should probably fight as well.
  • 12-16-2010, 06:30 PM
    v3xi
    I don't see Fitch fighting GSP ever again if he loses this fight. GSP will probably be gone by the time he gets his chance again.
  • 12-16-2010, 06:26 PM
    SWIFTboy
    Quote Originally Posted by Masscore View Post
    Can someone just give me a legit reason why Fitch should not get a title shot if he beats BJ Penn? I want to see a real argument against him.
    I have none because whether or not I think he has a chance against GSP is irrelevent to me. If you earn the rematch, you earn the rematch.

    I could understand someone arguing that someone should have to take a longer road back to the title shot, if they've already had a chance against the current champion. GSp had to do this to get his second shot against Hughes. If Fitch beats BJ, he will have taken that harder road.

    My question to you is this: If BJ wins, how far back does that push Fitch? Will have have to win ANOTHER 6-7-8 fights to get back in the picture?
  • 12-16-2010, 06:01 PM
    Masscore
    Can someone just give me a legit reason why Fitch should not get a title shot if he beats BJ Penn? I want to see a real argument against him.
  • 12-16-2010, 01:14 AM
    dgil
    For some reason ever since watching "Renzo Gracie: Legacy" I have not been a fan of Dave Camarillo, so even though he has accomplished a ton and has had an assload of success, I don't feel bad for him if he takes this way too hard.
  • 12-15-2010, 11:51 PM
    Dan
    I just see this as an attempt to push for the title shot again for Fitch. I mean, personally I think Fitch would stand more of a chance in becoming champion if his fought for a vacant title (if GSP decides to move to 185 in the next year or so as it has been said he will) against another top contender, than he does of beating GSP (especially after how good GSP looked vs. Kos)
  • 12-15-2010, 10:57 PM
    Masscore
    If Fitch beats BJ Penn and the fight before he beat Thiago Alves, then guess what... he was earned his rematch. Argue about his style and call him boring, hell say he does not have a chance against GSP. The fact remains that would be two wins in a row over highly ranked fighters. And in the past 7 or so years he has a 20-1 record.

    The arguments against Fitch are superficial things. The cold hard facts show that he is the number 2 WW in the world and has earned his shot to become number 1.
  • 12-15-2010, 09:18 PM
    Y2JUBAE
    GPS is correct about Roy Jones Jr. So sad.
  • 12-15-2010, 02:34 PM
    JCVD
    Quote Originally Posted by xrjxarsonx View Post
    no disrespect to fitch, but what does he think will change the second time around? its hard to argue he's evolved much.

    at least Koscheck stepped up his stand up game in the few years between fights (not that it did him any good), but fitch is the same fighter as he was.


    I'd actually argue that he has gone backwards instead of evolving. Before he fought GSP he threw leg kicks and even a random power right to try knock his oppenents head off. Now he just concentrates on takedowns and getting a dominant position. I used to be a big Fitch fan but i honestly can't stand watching him fight these days. My biggest problem is his refusal to look for submission attempts or g'n'p when he gets these dominant ground positions. He usually gets a dominant position and then works at stayin in that position for the whole round and doesnt attempt to finish the fight.

    He's the only top ranked fighter i can think of that learned absolutely nothing from fighting the champ. He hasn't evolved at all or taken anything from his fight with GSP. Does he honestly think that in a rematch he could take GSP down and hold him down for 5 rounds cos thats the only gameplan he could have at the moment. It would be a carbon copy of the first fight with GSP deciding to stand and trade with him(lets not forget GSP has evolved his stand-up since their last fight)resulting in an even worse beatdown then before with the exception that GSP would probably finish him now cos since the beating Fitch took in the first fight his ability to take a punch has diminished. I've seen him rocked afew times since the GSP fight by shots that probably wouldnt have rattled him before. He would have to destroy BJ to get any interest going in the rematch but i actually think BJ will tko him.
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