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  • 12-16-2010, 02:19 PM
    b0sH
    My cat's breath smells like catfood.
  • 12-16-2010, 11:11 AM
    YukonJordan
    Anderson is a great fighter and yes he did eventually beat Sonnen however he had some weaknesses exposed. He certainly wasn't dominant in that fight in any fashion. GSP may have lost to Serra, yes the important strike was to the back of the head but not illegal as Serra didn't intend to do that, but that doesn't expose any weaknesses. Barring training to hit a glancing forearm across the back of GSP's head there is nothing his opponents could learn from that fight. Anderson on the other hand is going to have his hands full with wrestlers, or any contender for that matter, because they will be emboldened by Sonnen's performance.

    Anderson's title reign is a stack of Jenga blocks and it's coming to an end soon because Sonnen just pulled out like blocks.
  • 12-16-2010, 05:01 AM
    GangGreenWarrior
    Quote Originally Posted by DonFrye View Post
    Further, it is still my contention that GSP has NEVER stepped up a weight class to fight let alone a former champion in that weight class. He has fought 2 former champions from the weight class below him.
    I'll give you that GSP has never stepped up in a weight class but you can't fault him for never fighting a former champion of MW. Silva is the current champ, Franklin fights at LHW and Tanner is dead. The LHW division, on the other hand, has a wealth of former champs, and they are all still alive.
  • 12-16-2010, 04:09 AM
    SimpleJack
    Your comment never pissed me off.

    I did, however, find your tone disrespectful and uncalled for.
    . I may have said something that was stupid in your eyes but all you provided was a one liner ending in a bunch of ? marks where I at least tried to explain myself and keep the discussion going - until I was attacked anyway.
    I think you need to go back and read your first comment...
    Yeah! Because James Irvine is a more impressive win then BJ Penn. What the fuck kind of comment is this?
    Selective memory, sir?

    It is also incredibly arrogant to anoint yourself the winner of a discussion as its going on inside that thread and having a friend back you up with the same garbage
    My arrogance knows no bounds, but it was TBear who anointed me the winner. I simply stated that I dominated you.


    Further, it is still my contention that GSP has NEVER stepped up a weight class to fight let alone a former champion in that weight class. He has fought 2 former champions from the weight class below him.

    Now, quality of opponents:

    Anderson Silva: 2 HOF'ers (Henderson, Franklin ), 3 former champions (Henderson, Griffin, and Franklin *A little known fact here is that James Irvin is also a former HW champion in WEC but I will overlook that as the WEC HW Championship is not highly regarded and rightfully so), 1 Olympic Wrestler, 1 National champion wrestler, and an ADCC champion. Anderson has faced 4 legitimate BJJ Black Belts (Maia, Leites, Marquardt, and Lutter)

    GSP: 2 HOF'ers (Penn, Hughes), 4 Former champions (Hughes, Penn, Sherk, and Serra), 1 D1 National Champion Wrestler, 1 D2 National Champion Wrestler, and a world JJ Champion (Penn). GSP has faced 3 legitimate BJJ Black Belts (Penn, Serra, and Fitch- Mayhem did not have his yet)

    I won't debate that Georges has faced the stiffer comp but it's hardly a landslide.
  • 12-16-2010, 03:27 AM
    vegas bushido
    Every body chill. Crocop is the GOAT anyways.
  • 12-16-2010, 03:06 AM
    v3xi
    Quote Originally Posted by DonFrye View Post
    He is not, however, a more dominant champion than Anderson Silva. Silva is undefeated in title fights and has finished all but 3 of his opponents. It is still my contention that this is more impressive than "winning rounds."

    I have not taken my dislike for Anderson's conduct or Ed Soares into account on any of this. It is purely based on their fights.
    Before I said the word illegal blow I said that GSP beat much tougher competition as the original article in this thread says. If Anderson beat 8 midgets in a row defending his belt then it would not be as impressive. The quality of opponent has to be taken into account as does the weaknesses shown by each champion.

    GSP may have weaknesses but they are nowhere near Anderson and Black House's problems as a whole with wrestlers. GSP beat one of the top 3 strikers in UFC history twice with Penn as well as a power striker with Alvez. He beat very decorated wrestlers in Koscheck and Fitch and Hughes. He beat great submission artists in Penn and to a lesser extent Serra.

    Anderson beat some good opponents as well but again, the list is nowhere near what GSP has faced and dominated. Anderson being able to finish so many of these fighters is also due to them not being as well rounded.

    Back to the original comment that pissed you off, GSP beating Penn twice is far more impressive then Forrest and James fucking Irvine. Stupid fucking opinion and dead wrong.

    It is also incredibly arrogant to anoint yourself the winner of a discussion as its going on inside that thread and having a friend back you up with the same garbage. It cheapens this forum when the whole point of this place to begin with is try to have a logical discussion of the topic at hand. I may have said something that was stupid in your eyes but all you provided was a one liner ending in a bunch of ? marks where I at least tried to explain myself and keep the discussion going - until I was attacked anyway.
  • 12-16-2010, 02:23 AM
    SimpleJack
    Quote Originally Posted by v3xi View Post
    If you have a green name on here it means you know everything and are not to be questioned, even if your being a huge dick about it. At least RH is right most of the time and doesn't have friends jumping in to pile on top of someone else in his defense.
    If/When I've been wrong, I've admitted it openly and consistently.

    However, I'm not the one attempting to defend the stance that a fighter somehow looked better being stopped in less than a round than another fighter who finished his opponent.

    It is still my stance that GSP is an amazing fighter and the greatest WW of all time. He is probably #1 P4P at this moment if not #2.

    He is not, however, a more dominant champion than Anderson Silva. Silva is undefeated in title fights and has finished all but 3 of his opponents. It is still my contention that this is more impressive than "winning rounds."

    I have not taken my dislike for Anderson's conduct or Ed Soares into account on any of this. It is purely based on their fights.

    It's a true testament to the greatness of both fighters that we can even have this conversation.
  • 12-16-2010, 02:01 AM
    vegas bushido
    At the moment I would tend to would agree with V3xi. Anderson got crushed for 4 1/2 rounds and wound up winning in hail mray fashion. GSP humiliated Serra in the rematch proving that the first fight was a fluke. Until Anderson and Chael have a rematch, I think GSP has been far more impressive than Anderson.
  • 12-16-2010, 12:52 AM
    v3xi
    Quote Originally Posted by macewen View Post
    haha, to me it looks like a shot to the back of the head, and gsp himself said it was a shot to the back of the head, took his equilibrium away(sp?) other then that though, iim just gonna stfu i guess haha
    If you have a green name on here it means you know everything and are not to be questioned, even if your being a huge dick about it. At least RH is right most of the time and doesn't have friends jumping in to pile on top of someone else in his defense.
  • 12-15-2010, 11:19 PM
    macewen
    haha, to me it looks like a shot to the back of the head, and gsp himself said it was a shot to the back of the head, took his equilibrium away(sp?) other then that though, iim just gonna stfu i guess haha
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