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  • 08-07-2012, 12:58 AM
    SimpleJack
    Yet only 3 fights ago he was beating lyoto senseless when supposedly no one else could. I think he will be fine but needs time to heal those legs.
  • 08-06-2012, 09:22 PM
    lwbrewer
    Quote Originally Posted by Sniggles View Post
    Yes, it is quite obvious he is no longer in his prime.
    That seemed like a hard concept for some to grasp though

    He is not at the point where he absolutely must retire.
    Agree
  • 08-06-2012, 09:16 PM
    Sniggles
    Yes, it is quite obvious he is no longer in his prime.


    He is not at the point where he absolutely must retire.
  • 08-06-2012, 07:21 PM
    lwbrewer
    Most of you need to look at what Masscore is saying. He didn't say Vera beat him or hung with him. He's saying todays performance of Rua doesn't compare to his older performances. Plain and simple Rua isn't what he use to be.
  • 08-06-2012, 06:59 PM
    Sakara=Excitement
    Quote Originally Posted by IceCold48 View Post
    Also unrelated to your post but rated to this thread in general, shogun hasn't taken all that much damage considering he finished a lot of his fights in the first round and a few where he really took no damage at all.
    Shogun has been fighting professionally since 2002. Not to mention any fights before that and all the sparring that took place during his Chutebox years.

    If you or anyone think that Shogun hasn't taken 'all that much damage' in his career, you guys are delusional and don't understand how head injuries truly work.

    Just because someone says Shogun has taken too much damage doesn't mean he sucks, it doesn't mean he's getting KO'd left and right.

    Shit like these responses I have been hearing make me scared man. I thought reasoning would rise over fanboydom.

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  • 08-06-2012, 06:37 PM
    IceCold48
    Quote Originally Posted by Masscore View Post
    For the first 3 rounds Hendo outstruck Shogun 69-47. The last two rounds is when Shogun turned the fight into a grappling match and there wasn't nearly as much stand-up.

    And for the 4 rounds, Shogun outlanded Vera 68-67. But Vera didn't really land anything in the first round.

    But the point I am making is Shogun when he was healthy and young would never lose a stand-up fight to anyone. Actually when he was young and healthy he just utterly ripped people apart in the stand-up department. There is no way you can watch Shogun's last couple fights and not think something is wrong.
    It was equal in strikes landed but shogun did more damage and got the ko so Id say that's out striking.

    Also unrelated to your post but rated to this thread in general, shogun hasn't taken all that much damage considering he finished a lot of his fights in the first round and a few where he really took no damage at all.
  • 08-06-2012, 06:27 PM
    Masscore
    Quote Originally Posted by IceCold48 View Post
    Shogun clearly out struck Vera what are you talking about? And I wouldn't say hendo got the better of him standing it was back and forth and in the 4th and 5th rounds hendo literally did nothing.
    For the first 3 rounds Hendo outstruck Shogun 69-47. The last two rounds is when Shogun turned the fight into a grappling match and there wasn't nearly as much stand-up.

    And for the 4 rounds, Shogun outlanded Vera 68-67. But Vera didn't really land anything in the first round.

    But the point I am making is Shogun when he was healthy and young would never lose a stand-up fight to anyone. Actually when he was young and healthy he just utterly ripped people apart in the stand-up department. There is no way you can watch Shogun's last couple fights and not think something is wrong.
  • 08-06-2012, 06:24 PM
    IceCold48
    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. MMA View Post
    People criticize Shogun at times of not fighting smart, even though I feel he is one of the few fighters who uses all of their tools and mixes it up better than most LHWs. The fact is Shogun has went for the takedown against every single opponent, whether they were a great striker (like Vera or Machida), a good striker (like Chuck or Hendo), an average striker (like Forrest) or a quite mediocre striker (like Coleman). It's just a part of his game that he will go for takedowns when it presents themselves. Even though he has some of the most horrendous TDD, he is very successful in his takedowns; with the exception of Jon Jones, he has taken down all of his opponents in the UFC.
    Yea I disregarded machida in my original post idk why brain fart.

    And I agree about the takedowns shogun would rather ground and pound then stand up that's for sure but he hasn't been to successful with it in the UFC.

    He did finish machida and forrest from the top but that was after a knockdown not a takedown.
  • 08-06-2012, 06:19 PM
    IceCold48
    Quote Originally Posted by Masscore View Post
    The article is pointing out a few things. Sure Shogun won but Vera is a guy that Shogun back in 2005-2006 would have put away in less then a round. Sure he won by TKO but watch that fight and tell me that Vera wasn't getting the better of the stand-up battle and was forcing Shogun to shot for takedowns.

    The fact is in 3 of Shoguns last 4 fights he has lost in the stand-up game. Jones, Hendo and Vera all got the better of Shogun standing. This is Shogun we are talking about. The guy who outpointed and TKO Machida, TKO'd Rampage, Liddell and Overeem is losing stand-up battles to the likes of Jones, Hendo and Vera. Something is wrong with him and IMO it's the knee injuries.
    Shogun clearly out struck Vera what are you talking about? And I wouldn't say hendo got the better of him standing it was back and forth and in the 4th and 5th rounds hendo literally did nothing.
  • 08-06-2012, 06:14 PM
    Masscore
    Quote Originally Posted by Y2JUBAE View Post
    Shogun beat the best Vera I've seen. Stood with him, TKO'd him... Not sure what this "article" is about.
    The article is pointing out a few things. Sure Shogun won but Vera is a guy that Shogun back in 2005-2006 would have put away in less then a round. Sure he won by TKO but watch that fight and tell me that Vera wasn't getting the better of the stand-up battle and was forcing Shogun to shot for takedowns.

    The fact is in 3 of Shoguns last 4 fights he has lost in the stand-up game. Jones, Hendo and Vera all got the better of Shogun standing. This is Shogun we are talking about. The guy who outpointed and TKO Machida, TKO'd Rampage, Liddell and Overeem is losing stand-up battles to the likes of Jones, Hendo and Vera. Something is wrong with him and IMO it's the knee injuries.
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