Reply to Thread

Post a reply to the thread: Jon Jones Rips Dan Henderson's Use of Testosterone Replacement Therapy

Your Message

Click here to log in

What Is Quinton Jackson's Nickname?

 
 

You may choose an icon for your message from this list

Additional Options

  • Will turn www.example.com into [URL]http://www.example.com[/URL].

HTML

Topic Review (Newest First)

  • 08-24-2012, 01:06 AM
    W.Silva>C.Norris
    Quote Originally Posted by rivethead View Post

    ...which is a stupid statement, but sadly one that I've heard a lot. It's stupid because a line needs to be drawn somewhere between eating healthy and becoming a cyborg who shoots lasers out of his nostrils, because both qualify as enhancements.

    rh
    Im down for cyborgs with laser nostrils. that sound like its worth 50 bucks on the ppv.
  • 08-24-2012, 01:03 AM
    Sniggles
    Ratio and NG/ML should be what are looked at NOT just T/E.


    ....
  • 08-23-2012, 10:39 PM
    rivethead
    Quote Originally Posted by SimpleJack View Post
    BUT-

    Does the AC consider age and utilize a graduated scale for their own testing or do they rely on the "WORD" of the doctor?

    Last I checked, there was a straight-forward: 4:1 acceptable ratio regardless of age.
    When I first heard about it there was an indication that they use a graduated scale in accordance with the age group. Even if they used a 4:1 scale, the epitestosterone levels are going to remain fairly static...they're not going to swing up right after an injection and drop as it's metabolized, so they'd keep the range that the ratio can fall into fairly tight.

    I'm not 100% on how it's enacted, but the people I've talked to about it indicate that's what is supposed to happen. Henderson also has spoken about a consistent record of his own, privately-paid-for tests that could debunk the assumption that he's skyrocketing his levels between mandated tests.

    rh
  • 08-23-2012, 10:18 PM
    SimpleJack
    Quote Originally Posted by rivethead View Post
    Once again, they don't compare the older athletes counts to younger athletes. They compare the counts to what represents the norm for his age group. TRT does not give a 40 year old fighter the T levels of a 20 year old man. It gives a 40 year old fighter the T levels of a 40 year old man.

    rh
    BUT-

    Does the AC consider age and utilize a graduated scale for their own testing or do they rely on the "WORD" of the doctor?

    Last I checked, there was a straight-forward: 4:1 acceptable ratio regardless of age.
  • 08-23-2012, 09:56 PM
    rivethead
    Quote Originally Posted by rampage9712 View Post
    Studys also show that men will naturally produce less testosterone as they get older... Being a natural progression...
    Once again, they don't compare the older athletes counts to younger athletes. They compare the counts to what represents the norm for his age group. TRT does not give a 40 year old fighter the T levels of a 20 year old man. It gives a 40 year old fighter the T levels of a 40 year old man.

    rh
  • 08-23-2012, 09:31 PM
    Kimbo> Rampage
    Studys also show that men will naturally produce less testosterone as they get older... Being a natural progression...

    The thing I question about TRT is that any older guy could very easily get on it... Even if it was just a natural part of life....

    Which is fine, why tell somebody how to live and affect their quality of life...

    However when it comes to fighting or sports in general. Those older guys have a significant advantage in being around longer, have more time to work on their skills...

    Most athletes will tell you their skill is always improving, it is just when your body cant keep up anymore.
  • 08-23-2012, 06:57 PM
    rivethead
    Quote Originally Posted by CtGreat View Post
    Studying longer vs taking aderol (not difficult to get a prescription without having Add/ADHD). They both increase test scores, therefore they are both equal.
    Actually, research indicates that the vast majority of students who abuse medication in the ADD-treatment spectrum do worse, rather than improving test scores.

    But thanks for playing.

    rh
  • 08-23-2012, 04:59 PM
    Cat--Smasher
    An old article but worth a glance:
    Dan Henderson Talks Openly About His TRT Exemption; Says Stricter Testing is Needed of Approved Fighters | | Cagepotato

    In an interview Hendo did with ESPN this week, the Strikeforce light heavyweight champion ,who revealed that he has been using TRT since 2007, spoke openly and candidly about the reason he required the therapeutic exemption and the effect it has on his health. Among other things, Henderson called for stricter year-round testing for anyone who requires hormone replacement to ensure that he or she isn’t upping their dosages to give them an edge in the off-season.

    “My levels were so low they were off the charts. I was always tired and getting sick a lot. I couldn’t even tell you [how to abuse it],” he explained to Brett Okamoto. “I’ve never gone above normal ranges. All I know is that I’m not as tired and I don’t get as sick as I used to.”

    According to Hendo, if patients are receiving proper treatment from a reputable physician their levels should never jump above the normal acceptable range. In order to make sure he never test hight, he says that he constantly monitors his own levels on his own dime, which is commendable and creates transparency when dealing with commissions.

    “I always do it on my own just to cover my own ass. The only time people get monitored now is at the fights,” Henderson said. “I think it might be good to have stricter monitoring where people are getting tested throughout the year.”
    NSAC executive director Keith Kizer says that he sees no issue in the approval of fighters who legitimately need to use TRT as long as they are not using it to gain an advantage.

    “You don’t want to stop an athlete from doing it if he’s got a legitimate chemical deficiency,” Kizer said. “In situations where they need it to live a healthy, long life, maybe have kids, whatever, you don’t want to take that away. But, it is fair that the burden falls on them to prove they need it and that they are following it.”
  • 08-23-2012, 04:00 PM
    CtGreat
    Quote Originally Posted by rampage9712 View Post
    sigh...

    not this again...

    comparing inject-able testosterone to vitamins...

    because both are beneficiary... why not put them on the same line...
    Studying longer vs taking aderol (not difficult to get a prescription without having Add/ADHD). They both increase test scores, therefore they are both equal.
  • 08-23-2012, 03:57 PM
    rivethead
    Quote Originally Posted by rampage9712 View Post
    sigh...

    not this again...

    comparing inject-able testosterone to vitamins...

    because both are beneficiary... why not put them on the same line...
    sigh...another failure to read/understand my posts.

    I'm not comparing anything. I'm saying the argument that "nobody should take anything that enhances their performance" is as inherently foolish as your reading comprehension makes you out to be.


    rh
This thread has more than 10 replies. Click here to review the whole thread.

Posting Permissions

  • You may post new threads
  • You may post replies
  • You may post attachments
  • You may edit your posts
  •