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  • 10-21-2012, 08:32 PM
    Rise
    In no shape or form should a promoter be involved in deciding the outcome of a fight in my opinion it just leaves to much potential for abuse. The audience participating in the decision is a novel idea but it'll end up being a popularity contest most times then not there short of clear one sided matches. Not being the home town fighter would be pretty detrimental to your W/L record. Refs should be focused on the action in the cage and not trying to make mental notes on who they think win. I get what he is trying to do here but by trying to fix one problem he opens up a whole set of new ones.

    Same day weigh ins is a great idea but they need to have the time between weigh ins and actual matches down to a very minimal amount of time before matches.
  • 10-21-2012, 07:23 PM
    Cat--Smasher
    Quote Originally Posted by rivethead View Post
    I think they should have a second ref. Let BJM judge from inside the cage with nothing to do with governing the action, and a second ref deal with the direction.

    An inside-the-cage judge is better than double duty as ref/judge.

    They could give Rickson one vote, the audience one vote, and let BJM break any ties.

    I love the idea of judging the fight as a whole again.


    Does anyone know if it haz Yellow cardz?

    rh
    Havent yet heard anything about yellow cards and they were not mentioned so I would assume not.

    A fourth person might make it a bit crowded inside the cage but I do like the idea.

    I still think it gives the promoter too much influence, a conflict of interests, if you will. The promoter wants to create the more "sell'able" fights (right Zuffa?) so if it is a close fight / near a draw, it just seems it would seem almost a guarantee the promoter would score it for the guy he wants to see in the next 'big' fight.
  • 10-21-2012, 07:15 PM
    rivethead
    Quote Originally Posted by Sniggles View Post
    Judging fights as a whole rather than by rounds would be a much better system.
    I think they should have a second ref. Let BJM judge from inside the cage with nothing to do with governing the action, and a second ref deal with the direction.

    An inside-the-cage judge is better than double duty as ref/judge.

    They could give Rickson one vote, the audience one vote, and let BJM break any ties.

    I love the idea of judging the fight as a whole again.


    Does anyone know if it haz Yellow cardz?

    rh
  • 10-21-2012, 04:25 PM
    Y2JUBAE
    Quote Originally Posted by Cat--Smasher View Post
    Not even just letting the crowd decide but also letting the promoter decide who won the fight... Seems like there could still be 'issues' with this new system of judging who won the fight.
    I agree, if this were Elite XC that would be a problem.
  • 10-21-2012, 03:32 PM
    MIZjitsZOU
    Can't wait for this. It sounds really fun. I will definitely watch.

    I like the fan's vote. They can all have a buzzer by their seat.
  • 10-21-2012, 03:07 PM
    Sniggles
    Judging fights as a whole rather than by rounds would be a much better system.
  • 10-21-2012, 03:01 PM
    noahm
    Absolutely love the same day weigh-ins and no saved-by-the-bell. I think the 10/5 round structure is also a pretty good idea.

    The judging is always going to be an issue as it currently is with actual judges. Obviously the intent is to not let it go to there. This format still seems pretty flawed, but so is actual judges. Not sure how you let the fans vote or how fair that is since there can sometimes be severe bias in a hometown crowd.

    A different idea might be to form a floating panel made up of 5-7 fighters not fighting that night and not part of either camp in that fight. Pay them a nominal fee to show up and pull from a pool. Let them spend about 2 minutes deliberating on camera and then take the majority vote.
  • 10-21-2012, 02:24 PM
    Sniggles
    Quote Originally Posted by rivethead View Post
    Yeah I'm excited about this, but I was going to interrupt the love-fest to say I have questions about the judging.

    I don't think Rickson is as bad as many promoters out there, but I have to question the integrity of the league at that point. Time will tell if he's above corruption.

    rh
    He's a martial artist, of course he can't be corrupted. Haven't you watched any 70s karate films! Sheesh.
  • 10-21-2012, 02:19 PM
    rivethead
    Yeah I'm excited about this, but I was going to interrupt the love-fest to say I have questions about the judging.

    I don't think Rickson is as bad as many promoters out there, but I have to question the integrity of the league at that point. Time will tell if he's above corruption.

    rh
  • 10-21-2012, 05:02 AM
    Cat--Smasher
    Rickson Gracie’s New MMA Organization Has Some Interesting Rule Changes | | Cagepotato

    Our friends over at GracieMag have the full story on the new Mestre do Combate, debuting November 22nd. Below we have some of the highlights.

    Teams - Rickson’s organization will use a team format of some sort, akin to what the now defunct IFL used.

    Rounds - There will just be two, like in the old Pride non title bouts. The first round will be ten minutes and the second will be five.

    Cannot be saved by the bell - So this is interesting. “Fighters will not have the luxury of being saved by the bell: if a submission hold is in place when the bell sounds, they will have to defend or tap out first for the fight to end,” GracieMag reports. What do you think of this rule, nation? I think its a compelling idea, even if it could lead to some messy and uneven arbitrary implementation.

    “Judges’” decision - Speaking of potentially messy and arbitrary, “in the event of a fight ending without a submission or knockout, the decision-making system is a curious one: the referee ‘Big’ John McCarthy has one vote, Master Rickson has another, and the audience watching at the venue or over television has a tie-breaking vote.”

    Ok, so let us linger on this one for a moment. Being partial to everything Rickson, I don’t have a fundamental problem with him serving in a judging capacity for MMA fights. The guy knows what he’s looking at and he’s certainly more qualified than most current MMA judges. However, his exact role with the organization has not really been publicly specified and there could be issues there. Is he a promoter? Is he a part owner? Is he both? In either case, I’m not sure how I feel about a promoter or organization executive deciding who has won fights, because they could easily be compelled, even if subconsciously, to vote for the more marketable fighter since that fighter might make them more money.

    Also, what are the criteria that Rickson, McCarthy and the fans are supposed to use to judge? Oh yeah, having the ref score a fight is a horrible and dangerous idea.

    From conversations I’ve had with top refs in the past, I’m rather surprised that McCarthy would even agree to doing this. From what I understand, refs have their hands full just making sure fighters are safe and keeping to the time and rules. If McCarthy is to cast a judging vote to a fight he has just refereed it certainly seems like he’d then have to either

    A.) Divert some of his attention from rule enforcement and safety to thinking about who is winning, or

    B.) Keep his full attention focused on safety in the ring, in which case he’d probably not have a great idea of who won the fight immediately after.

    How, exactly, will fans vote? Will it be a majority thing and they all have two buttons attached to their seats so they can choose who they thought won? Or will it be like a college open mic night where applause is used to determine the winner. In which case, will there be a decibel meter to determine who, exactly, received the louder applause or will some person decide who had more support? If the latter, who will that person be? [Ed. Note: Possibly via text message voting, but who actually takes part in text message voting at stadiums? Other than me that one time fans were asked which ethnic stereotype will run around Miller Park in a sausage costume fastest, for obvious reasons. Don't judge me.]

    Weight - So yeah, Mestre do Combate will have same day weigh ins. The idea is to discourage harmful weight cutting by fighters and to encourage to fight at their natural weights. Love the concept, hope it works. Amateur wrestlers have to weigh in the same day as competition and they still cut a lot of water weight often times.

    Elbows - No elbows. Sorry, that sucks. A real Jiu Jitsu practitioner needs to ultimately learn how to deal with the different range and angles that elbow strikes pose on the feet and on the ground. At least professional MMA fighters should learn how to.
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