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  • 10-28-2012, 08:51 PM
    TheKidInside
    I look it at from a few angles.

    A. As a fan - I'd love to see Alvarez do his thang in the UFC and even if he doesn't get the belt, you're nuts if you don't think he'll put on exciting and competitive fights. FFS, his fight with "my boy" Mike Chandler was, IMHO, FOTY not Shogun/Hendo and Shogun is my top 5 favorite fighter (if you've been on this forum long enough you know how much of a mancrush I have on him).

    B. As someone who met and spent some time with Alvarez (two Bellator events as press, 2 lengthy interviews and some time with him backstage when he beat up Roger Huerta, along with a few other fighters we were present) - I think he really cares about his family and finances first. In fact, in several interviews he really reiterates that financial success is his primary motivation BY FAR.

    C. as a former "journalist/media person" - a combination of the two. But, I think that Bellator is right to maintain their stance that only people who fights champions in championship fights go through the tournament BUT they also need to be a bit more flexible. Hieron/Askren was very controversial and a fun fight, and FFS when do you see Askren in a "fun" fight? Give Hieron the rematch! SAME THING WITH EDDY! His fight with Chandler was awesome and it wouldn't disappoint in the rematch. And, from their POV, I think it's much more marketable to have Alvarez as the champion over Chandler.
  • 10-28-2012, 01:52 PM
    lwbrewer
    Eddie possibly live a better life outside of the UFC even better pay and diffidently better treatment. Everybody in the UFC is on a short lease they decide if you go at any time. As much as I would love to see Eddie fight in the UFC I'd rather see Bellator stay revalent. So if it takes Eddie staying there to do it than stay there.
  • 10-28-2012, 06:02 AM
    MIZjitsZOU
    Quote Originally Posted by Sniggles View Post
    Meh. They needn't spend their entire career in the B-leagues while claiming to be the best in the world is what I'm saying. Zuffa has not always had the best fighters but at the moment, the lightweight division in the UFC is absolutely stellar. They should back their mantras up.
    Your hypocrisy knows no bounds...

  • 10-28-2012, 02:37 AM
    Sakara=Excitement
    Yeah hasn't Eddie said in the past that he wouldn't go to the UFC because he knows he would have to take a pay cut?

    Plus there's something to be said about wanting to be the big fish in the small pond.
  • 10-27-2012, 07:21 PM
    Cat--Smasher
    Bellator set to expedite Eddie Alvarez's free agency decision - MMA Fighting

    Despite a 90-day window that allows Bellator to exclusively negotiate with sought-after free agent Eddie Alvarez, the promotion's CEO Bjorn Rebney doesn't expect to take nearly that long to determine whether he can strike a deal with the former lightweight champion.

    In a Friday night interview with MMA Fighting, Rebney said that Bellator has made Alvarez an offer, and that Alvarez's response will determine the next step. If he accepts it, he stays in the Bellator fold where he will be prominently featured as the promotion moves to its new broadest home on Spike. And if he doesn't, Rebney will allow him to bypass the remaining 70+ days of the exclusive negotiating period and take his talents to the open market, where he will no doubt be MMA's hottest commodity.

    Such a move would ultimately benefit both sides, as it would allow Alvarez to restart his career faster than expected, while it would also offer Bellator a chance to properly gauge its assets as it heads into its pivotal 2013.

    While Rebney at one point in the recent past seemed to indicate the promotion was prepared to move on without Alvarez, the two sides have had multiple conversations since Alvarez defeated Patricky "Pitbull" Freire on Oct. 12, satisfying the terms of his existing contract.

    The talks began in the moments after the victory, when Rebney and Alvarez sat down together at Caesars Windsor for one hour, and have continued nearly daily since then, allowing the Bellator boss to present Alvarez his vision of the future, along with contract terms and other ancillary opportunities expected to come through Bellator's new ownership group, media conglomerate Viacom.

    Of course, Alvarez's decision may come down to guaranteed money. Because the UFC has already expressed an interest in Alvarez, it's quite possible that he will at least temporarily bypass the Bellator offer in hopes of negotiating with the Las Vegas-based promotion and driving up his price. While ordinarily, that would require Alvarez to wait out the 90-day exclusive rights period, Rebney is willing to waive the clause and expedite the situation if Alvarez declines their offer while indicating a desire to test the open market before making a decision.

    If that happens, Rebney expects the situation to resolve itself quickly as the UFC is likely to swoop in with an offer, and Bellator will have a chance to match it.

    "My read on Ed is that he's approached these talks professionally and totally in good faith," Rebney said. "He's made the effort to come sit and talk to us. He's followed up and asked a lot of questions as far as what we can do for him, the exposure we can provide and what other doors we can open. He's been very engaged. Ed's been rock-solid for us for years, and if he wants to see what they are going to offer, I'm going to let him see."

    Rebney said that within 3-4 days, he expects to either be announcing that Alvarez is staying with Bellator, or that he's cutting short the exclusive rights window and setting Alvarez free to look elsewhere.

    It's a situation that is all too familiar for Rebney, who went through it six months ago with Hector Lombard, who was at the time Bellator's reigning middleweight champion. In that instance, Lombard hit the open market, where he was immediately offered a lucrative deal with the UFC.

    Rebney said that contract, which according to him paid Lombard a $400,000 signing bonus, a $300,000 starting purse per fight and pay-per-view participation points, was cost-prohibitive from Bellator's standpoint.

    If the UFC came in with a similar offer for Alvarez, who is considered by most observers to be right around the top five lightweights in the world, it is believed that would make him the highest-paid 155-pounder in the UFC. On the other hand, Lombard's debut in the UFC was considered a disappointment, as he lost a lackluster split-decision to Tim Boetsch. That development could cause the UFC to reconsider a big-money offer for another free agent.

    "It's an interesting spot," Rebney said. "We've talked about the dynamics for months about him staying or leaving. We don't make decisions based off emotions. We do our analysis and try to determine if it fits in our model. Eddie can say, 'I'm going to go see what they offer,' and if he does, there's no reason to dance. If he wants to look at what they're offering -- and I don't think that's unreasonable, by the way -- I'll open the door sooner than we're required. I'm not saying we won't come to an agreement, but even though we're having some good talks, that's what it might come down to."





    Bellator CEO Bjorn Rebney Talks Eddie Alvarez, Response to FX Threat, and Bellator 78 (Video) | MMAWeekly.com
  • 10-27-2012, 06:44 AM
    Rise
    Quote Originally Posted by joeodd2 View Post
    sigh....once again the "King of Beers" hype machine proves it's dominance in MMA. How can ANY org say prove they have the best fighters when they won't put that reputation on the line against other orgs? It's like a fighter saying he's the best fighter in the world and only fighting guys inside his home state. I know the UFC has nothing to gain business wise by putting their brand's reputation on the line, call me crazy, but I only care about the sport and true competition. I'm sick of these pro wrestling type borders between organizations. I wish there comes a day when MMA is a true sport with no borders between organizations and fights set up to determine who's really the best in the world regardless of organization. I'm not saying there has to be a million titles, but even in boxing their is usually a clearly recognized champion in most divisions. Anyway, I think Alvarez has fought some of the best in the world and I see him destroying UFC fighters the same way he did non-ufc fighters. Those 3 letters on your glove don't mean shit when the cage door closes......
    Would you not say the best basketball players don't play in the NBA? hockey players in the NHL ? baseball players in MLBA ? etc..

    I don't think the UFC is stretching the truth by saying they have the best fighters. While there are a few exceptions outside of the UFC that would be considered top fighters like Alvarez the vast majority of the top talent is in the UFC at this point in time.

    Co-promotion and sharing fighters will never work in MMA just way to many reasons for it not to work and very few reasons for it to work. If you look at anything M1 did in their co-promotion ventures/negotiations this is a perfect example of the problems that arise from it. There are also many examples of how co-promotion in boxing has failed. The best way to make it work is for it to use a structure seem to the rest of the top pro leagues out there have with a smaller developmental league/promotion that are off shoots or working with the main (top) organization.
  • 10-27-2012, 05:49 AM
    joeodd2
    sigh....once again the "King of Beers" hype machine proves it's dominance in MMA. How can ANY org say prove they have the best fighters when they won't put that reputation on the line against other orgs? It's like a fighter saying he's the best fighter in the world and only fighting guys inside his home state. I know the UFC has nothing to gain business wise by putting their brand's reputation on the line, call me crazy, but I only care about the sport and true competition. I'm sick of these pro wrestling type borders between organizations. I wish there comes a day when MMA is a true sport with no borders between organizations and fights set up to determine who's really the best in the world regardless of organization. I'm not saying there has to be a million titles, but even in boxing their is usually a clearly recognized champion in most divisions. Anyway, I think Alvarez has fought some of the best in the world and I see him destroying UFC fighters the same way he did non-ufc fighters. Those 3 letters on your glove don't mean shit when the cage door closes......
  • 10-26-2012, 02:51 PM
    Sniggles
    Quote Originally Posted by MIZjitsZOU View Post
    Dude they had some good (melendez a little less) exciting fights. MMA needs competition. They need eilites like eddie alverez in other orgs for competition.

    If Eddie stays with bellator and loses he can always go to Onefc or a asian org. He is exciting. I would like to see him stay with bellator, do the TNA thing (I don't watch wrestling and fedorlei g says it sucks, but I think he would be good at it) and earn his Chandler rematch. That would be epic. Chandler is no joke. I think he is elite as well.

    Long live Bellator and the UFC. Cmon Snigs I thought you were one of those coexist sort of guys.
    Meh. They needn't spend their entire career in the B-leagues while claiming to be the best in the world is what I'm saying. Zuffa has not always had the best fighters but at the moment, the lightweight division in the UFC is absolutely stellar. They should back their mantras up.
  • 10-26-2012, 01:33 PM
    MIZjitsZOU
    Quote Originally Posted by Sniggles View Post
    Neither Melendez nor Alvarez should have spent their prime as the big fish in the small pond.

    Dude they had some good (melendez a little less) exciting fights. MMA needs competition. They need eilites like eddie alverez in other orgs for competition.

    If Eddie stays with bellator and loses he can always go to Onefc or a asian org. He is exciting. I would like to see him stay with bellator, do the TNA thing (I don't watch wrestling and fedorlei g says it sucks, but I think he would be good at it) and earn his Chandler rematch. That would be epic. Chandler is no joke. I think he is elite as well.

    Long live Bellator and the UFC. Cmon Snigs I thought you were one of those coexist sort of guys.
  • 10-26-2012, 12:17 PM
    Sniggles
    Neither Melendez nor Alvarez should have spent their prime as the big fish in the small pond.
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