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  • 11-14-2012, 07:07 AM
    Sakara=Excitement
    UFC 156 Fight Card Update: Dan Henderson vs. Lyoto Machida Bout in Doubt for Super Bowl Weekend | MMAWeekly.com

    A UFC light heavyweight showdown between two of the top fighters in the division, Dan Henderson and Lyoto Machida, has been targeted for UFC 156 on Super Bowl weekend, but a shadow of doubt lingers over the fight… at least for the Feb. 2 event slated for Mandalay Bay in Las Vegas.

    While Henderson said on last week’s edition of MMA Uncensored Live on Spike TV that he was told that UFC 156 was the target for such a bout, the injured knee that kept him out of the UFC 151 headliner against Jon Jones may delay a bout with Machida.

    Henderson has returned to training, but has been taking things slow, making sure that he allows his knee to fully heal, so as not to set him back any further.

    UFC officials, according to a report on Tuesday night’s UFC Tonight on Fuel TV, aren’t quite comfortable pulling the trigger and setting a Henderson vs. Machida bout for UFC 156 just yet.

    The fight still looks likely to happen, it’s just a matter of if it will happen at UFC 156, and if not, when?

    The UFC has already announced a handful of dates that closely follow Super Bowl weekend event with UFC on Fuel TV 6 on Feb. 16, UFC 157 on Feb. 23, and UFC on Fuel TV 8 on March 2. So there is ample opportunity to move that bout back by two or three weeks to ensure Henderson’s knee is fully recovered.
  • 11-10-2012, 06:19 PM
    H0SS
    Quote Originally Posted by v3xi View Post
    I don't like Rampage enough to write 10 paragraphs on a Friday night as to why he won a fight over a year ago btw.
    Too busy doing what? Shaving your nipples and not getting laid?

    You sound like you haven't blown a load in so long that the next guy is going to have to chew before he swallows...
  • 11-10-2012, 04:15 PM
    v3xi
    Quote Originally Posted by H0SS View Post
    Weird, seeing as how when Rampage wants to make a donation to the sperm bank, they just make you spit into the cup...
    Bet you've drank some of Machida's urine straight from the tap.

    I don't like Rampage enough to write 10 paragraphs on a Friday night as to why he won a fight over a year ago btw. It is always embarrassing watching you clowns explain how running away for 95% of his fights is octagon control.
  • 11-10-2012, 10:50 AM
    H0SS
    Quote Originally Posted by v3xi View Post
    You can spot the nuthugger by how long his list of excuses is. How is the Machida era treating you btw?
    Did you just call me a Machida nuthugger?

    Weird, seeing as how when Rampage wants to make a donation to the sperm bank, they just make you spit into the cup...
  • 11-10-2012, 08:28 AM
    v3xi
    You can spot the nuthugger by how long his list of excuses is. How is the Machida era treating you btw?
  • 11-10-2012, 07:46 AM
    H0SS
    Quote Originally Posted by rampage9712 View Post
    Machida was tentative... and didnt turn it on until the 3rd round... Rampage won the first 2 based on control and aggression, as stated in the rules...

    There are few fighters I like more than Rampage, Machida being one of them... I still say rampage won that fight.... is he the better fighter? no.


    score the fight round by round... Machida won round 3... clearly, but was it a 10-8? No.... Score the fight, dont just look at it as a whole.

    hit with what?

    and again, you are going off how the judges are told to score it... I can see how anybody would like to interpret it themselves, but how can you be surprised by scoring like that.
    I don't know why you are under the impression that I am judging the fight as a whole. I specifically posted my thoughts about each round. The round that we are debating is round 1.

    You stated that Rampage won that round based on control and aggression "as stated in the rules"...

    Are you familiar with the rules? Granted, the rules might be different in Michigan, but for argument's sake, lets go with judging criteria used by the NSAC.

    Striking and grappling are weighed more heavily than control and aggression. Machida won the striking in the first round. Jackson didn't even land a single strike within the first two minutes of that fight, while Machida was able to land kicks hard enough to make Rampage swivel. Most of Rampages strikes landed in that round were in the clinch against the cage, and they were arm punches to the body, with no real power behind them. He only landed two decent strikes to the head, while otherwise swinging and missing like crazy.

    Furthermore, Rampage went for a takedown and Machida stuffed it in that first round. And Machida controlled Rampage's posture in the clinch, spun it around, outmuscled him, and even forced him to walk backwards at one point.

    You seem to think that Rampage won the "Octagon control" criteria.

    Octagon Control
    1. The fighter who is dictating the pace, place and position of the fight.
    2. A striker who fends off a grappler's takedown attempt to remain standing and effectively strike is octagon control.
    3. A grappler who can takedown an effective standing striker to ground fight is octagon control.
    4. The fighter on the ground who creates submission, mount or clean striking opportunities


    Rampage missed wildly trying to chase down Machida. He got controlled in the clinch. And he had that takedown stuffed. Machida clearly deserves the nod in this department based on that definition.

    And effective aggression?

    Effective Aggressiveness
    1. This simply means who is moving forward and finding success.(scoring) 2. Throwing a strike moving backwards is not as effective as a strike thrown moving forward.
    3. Throwing strikes and not landing is not effective aggressiveness.
    4. Moving forward and getting struck is not effective aggressiveness.
    5. Shooting takedowns and getting countered and fended off is not effective aggressiveness.


    Rampage doesn't even deserve to win that area of the judging criteria. Even if we were to give it to him, effective aggression is the criteria of "least importance" according to the rules.

    THAT... is why Machida won the first round and the fight.

    Thanks for playing, better luck next time.
    NAC: CHAPTER 467 - UNARMED COMBAT
  • 11-10-2012, 06:17 AM
    Kimbo> Rampage
    Quote Originally Posted by disposableassassin View Post
    agreed. ive always felt from the waist up rampage had hella technique, its just his footwork that i've never been amazed with. this i'm sure has alot to do with his succeptability to leg kicks. its gotta be easier to check those if you stay light on your feet.
    Yes.... while Glover may be better able to exploit the hands of someone like Shogun or Forrest, because of his ability to deal with Kicks... His main offense comes from his hands... playing right into rampage's game.

    Coordination comes in all shapes and forms... People will just assume that if a fighter has slow or lackluster footwork that they dont train their footwork... It may or may not be the case... Rampage could have tried to improve his movement or he could have been the lazy bum everyone wants to believe he has been, I really dont know... I have seen both sides of the coin... its odd to see what people believe to be "skill" and what to be natural.
  • 11-10-2012, 06:05 AM
    disposableassassin
    Quote Originally Posted by rampage9712 View Post
    yep... machida at his best takes it, even possibly putting page away... although if he was more aggressive rampage could have laned a big shot and put him out as well. Rampage is not the most versatile fighter, but he is one of the most dangerous fighters... he can KO anyone with 1 punch.
    agreed. ive always felt from the waist up rampage had hella technique, its just his footwork that i've never been amazed with. this i'm sure has alot to do with his succeptability to leg kicks. its gotta be easier to check those if you stay light on your feet.
  • 11-10-2012, 06:01 AM
    Kimbo> Rampage
    Quote Originally Posted by disposableassassin View Post
    I agree with this assessment. I too had page 2 rounds to machida's 1. Now the only round where anything happened was the third. In the third machida nearly put page away. I felt like had it been a five rounder lyoto would've had him. But alas it was only three and fights are judged per round so page took it 2 to 1.
    yep... machida at his best takes it, even possibly putting page away... although if he was more aggressive rampage could have laned a big shot and put him out as well. Rampage is not the most versatile fighter, but he is one of the most dangerous fighters... he can KO anyone with 1 punch.
  • 11-10-2012, 05:52 AM
    disposableassassin
    Quote Originally Posted by rampage9712 View Post
    Sucks, I wanted to see Dan get his title shot... He gets put out in this one...



    Machida was tentative... and didnt turn it on until the 3rd round... Rampage won the first 2 based on control and agression, as stated in the rules...

    There are few fighters I like more than Rampage, Machida being one of them... I still say rampage won that fight.... is he the better fighter? no.
    I agree with this assessment. I too had page 2 rounds to machida's 1. Now the only round where anything happened was the third. In the third machida nearly put page away. I felt like had it been a five rounder lyoto would've had him. But alas it was only three and fights are judged per round so page took it 2 to 1.
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