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  • 11-19-2012, 04:04 PM
    Kimbo> Rampage
    Quote Originally Posted by joeodd2 View Post
    Until Silva flat out REFUSES to defend his title, then I don't understand the problem. He doesn't book his own fights, the UFC brass does. If Weidman has a problem with Dana, not Anderson. Silva's not holding anything hostage, because the UFC owns the belt.
    Its funny to see all those people say that Anderson should be stripped of his belt, when he has never been offered a fight with Weidman... Just defended his belt in July... and just fought a month ago, when Weidman wasnt even a possible opponent.
    Quote Originally Posted by kalebarker View Post
    How do you figure his TDD is awful? Okami couldn't take him down. Sonnen failed to do it after the first round of their last fight. Hendo couldn't do it in the second round of their fight.
    His TDD definitely isnt on the level with someone like JDS, Jones, or Aldo... but he has good TDD. Some of the best at MW actually, its just when he is looked at with such esteem, his tdd lacks compared to the other elites.
    Quote Originally Posted by Qball1974 View Post
    I see Anderson spending the fight off his back and having a very bad night. His TDD is awful and GSP is better then what Chael Sonnen is good at.
    Chael's toughness is a huge part of his success... Chael can just run through someones defense, while taking big shots, and go for takedowns relentlessly.

    GSP has the best double in the game... So quick and explosive with excellent transitions... but he cant just disreguard Anderson's standup like Chael did... Im not sure GSP is as tough as Sonnen, or if his Chin is as good.

    Thats what Chael does best... not just his takedowns alone, which are top notch... but everyone falls shots to GSP in that category.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sakara=Excitement View Post
    Yeah GSP's wrestling is all predicated on his striking. Chael doesn't have that luxury and just bulldozes people for the takedown. GSP is the best ever maybe at chaining takedowns after any amount of punches. So many times he's catching a guy throwing a punch in an exchange for a takedown.
    Yes GSP and Sonnen's styles are so different... Both are great wrestlers, but use different means to get it down...

    the one thing I question is how much respect would Anderson actually give GSP's striking... the guys GSP fights at WW cannot afford to do that, GSP is a legit technical strike, but Anderson may be albe to... Focusing solely on GSP's takedowns.
    Quote Originally Posted by v3xi View Post
    BS. Anderson refuses fights on a regular basis and because of his legendary status he can get away with it.
    What? when?
  • 11-19-2012, 04:01 PM
    v3xi
    Quote Originally Posted by joeodd2 View Post
    Until Silva flat out REFUSES to defend his title, then I don't understand the problem. He doesn't book his own fights, the UFC brass does..
    BS. Anderson refuses fights on a regular basis and because of his legendary status he can get away with it.
  • 11-19-2012, 03:08 PM
    Y2JUBAE
    Quote Originally Posted by Qball1974 View Post
    I see Anderson spending the fight off his back and having a very bad night. His TDD is awful and GSP is better then what Chael Sonnen is good at.
    He's been taken down before, and has won on the ground.
  • 11-19-2012, 01:54 PM
    joeodd2
    Until Silva flat out REFUSES to defend his title, then I don't understand the problem. He doesn't book his own fights, the UFC brass does. If Weidman has a problem with Dana, not Anderson. Silva's not holding anything hostage, because the UFC owns the belt. If they really want it defended every 4 months, then they would tell Silva to defend it. Silva can say whatever he likes about potential contenders, but push comes to shove he fights who he's told to fight. Hell even volunteers to save events. You may not like his attitude, but to say he ducks people is flat out wrong. Dana White is the promoter and he makes the final decisions.
  • 11-19-2012, 11:58 AM
    Sniggles
    Quote Originally Posted by kalebarker View Post
    How do you figure his TDD is awful? Okami couldn't take him down. Sonnen failed to do it after the first round of their last fight. Hendo couldn't do it in the second round of their fight.
    Simply because a fighter has been taken down does not mean that he has awful TDD. It's quite obviously a hyperbole to help rationalize his argument.

    Silva can be taken down. He is not an impervious machine. Noone has able to capitalize on the chinks in his armor to the fullest though. Silva uses his intelligence to beat fighters, his ability to adapt and be like water when it comes to technique is what has kept him undefeated since entering the UFC.
  • 11-19-2012, 09:41 AM
    kalebarker
    Quote Originally Posted by Qball1974 View Post
    I see Anderson spending the fight off his back and having a very bad night. His TDD is awful and GSP is better then what Chael Sonnen is good at.
    How do you figure his TDD is awful? Okami couldn't take him down. Sonnen failed to do it after the first round of their last fight. Hendo couldn't do it in the second round of their fight.
  • 11-19-2012, 08:02 AM
    roaddawg
    Quote Originally Posted by YukonJordan View Post
    It was actually supposed to first happen after 112. The deal was all but signed when Silva put on the worst performance by a champion in the history of the UFC.
    This is even more to the point. Not sure why you even brought up unfinished business with Hendricks.

    Also this is probably one of the main reasons I disagree with fighters trying to please fans. He had no business in the octagon fighting with that rib injury. It's amazing he still won that fight.


    Quote Originally Posted by YukonJordan View Post
    Like I've continually said, Anderson has the earned right to take as much time as he wants and angle for huge fights for last two if wants to do so. Nothing wrong with that at as long as he's willing to drop the title. Champions need to defend their titles.
    Yea I don't like the idea of disputed champions or interim titles. Like I always say Silva fights whom he is told to fight.


    Quote Originally Posted by YukonJordan View Post
    When he does finish or attack his opponent it's great to see Silva fight. However there's too many instances where Anderson simply doesn't try for the finish, or for anything really. At least with GSP you know he's going to continually try.
    Its good that he tries but the reality of the situation is he hasn't had a finish in quite sometime. Silva's finishes are consistant when he has someone that is fighting him back. Its the resposibility of the challenger to take the belt from the champion.

    You don't get a title fight then lay on your back like Werdum praying for your opponent to jump between your legs.


    Quote Originally Posted by YukonJordan View Post
    He also is only fighting the cream of crop at WW, guys who never get finished. Finally people seem to forget that as you go longer in weight classes it's harder to get the finish due to the increased cardio and decreased power at the lower weight classes.
    Silva has cleared out his division and also moved up in weight and remained equally dominant. If the talent pool is bad at mw that sounds like an issue the UFC needs to address.


    Quote Originally Posted by YukonJordan View Post
    None of that matters, it's his responsibility to defend his title. Anderson Silva is a great mixed martial artist, he's just a terrible terrible champion.
    Silva defends his title when his employer tells him to (injuries aside).

    He is the greatest mixed martial artist of all time and most fighters now recognize that but if they don't his resume speaks volumes. He could literally lose the rest of the fights on his contract and still noone will accomplish what he has in a long time.
  • 11-19-2012, 07:30 AM
    YukonJordan
    Quote Originally Posted by roaddawg View Post
    This super fight between Silva and GSP was supposed to happen after Silva beat Sonnen in their 1st fight at UFC 117. Silva was waiting on GSP to beat Jake Shields at UFC 129.
    It was actually supposed to first happen after 112. The deal was all but signed when Silva put on the worst performance by a champion in the history of the UFC.


    Quote Originally Posted by roaddawg View Post
    No one cared about Weidman, Hendricks or Jon Jones at the time. Infact Jon Jones wasn't even the lhw champion yet until UFC 128 when he beat Shogun. Obviously by the time GSP beat Shields Jon Jones had zero title defenses. Both Silva and GSP were the two dominant champions in the UFC often involved in p4p discussions.



    A fight with Bisping would be a lucrative option otherwise I see him taking the time off. I don't see him being eager to burn one of the 2 remaining fights on his contract on any relative unknowns. Ofcourse as usual Silva will fight whom he is told to by the UFC unless he is signing his own paychecks.
    Like I've continually said, Anderson has the earned right to take as much time as he wants and angle for huge fights for last two if wants to do so. Nothing wrong with that at as long as he's willing to drop the title. Champions need to defend their titles.

    Quote Originally Posted by roaddawg View Post
    Smart fans also know that Silva finishes most of his fights in highlight reel fashion within 2 rounds unlike GSP who hasn't finished an opponent in ages.
    Fans may not care about his mic skills or his inability to hype fights but he does his talking in the ring in true RJJ fashion. Casual fans love seeing finishes.
    When he does finish or attack his opponent it's great to see Silva fight. However there's too many instances where Anderson simply doesn't try for the finish, or for anything really. At least with GSP you know he's going to continually try. He also is only fighting the cream of crop at WW, guys who never get finished. Finally people seem to forget that as you go longer in weight classes it's harder to get the finish due to the increased cardio and decreased power at the lower weight classes.


    Quote Originally Posted by roaddawg View Post
    Noone likes Chael not even Jon Jones so thats not much of a shocker. Weidman is a relative unknown. Again Silva has everything to lose and nothing to gain.
    None of that matters, it's his responsibility to defend his title. Anderson Silva is a great mixed martial artist, he's just a terrible terrible champion.
  • 11-19-2012, 06:59 AM
    roaddawg
    Quote Originally Posted by YukonJordan View Post
    GSP is just as tied up as Jones is. He has Hendricks, Diaz and maybe even McDonald after that.
    This super fight between Silva and GSP was supposed to happen after Silva beat Sonnen in their 1st fight at UFC 117. Silva was waiting on GSP to beat Jake Shields at UFC 129.

    UFC president Dana White stated that Jake Shields would be St-Pierre's next opponent and confirmed that the two would meet in the main event of UFC 129 on April 30, 2011, in Toronto.[62] White had said that if St-Pierre defeated Shields, it could mark a move to middleweight and a superfight against Anderson Silva.[63] St-Pierre defeated Shields via unanimous decision.

    St-Pierre received a 60-day medical suspension following his UFC 129 fight with Shields due to damage to his left eye.[64] St-Pierre's trainer, Firas Zahabi, just two days after the fight, however, said that doctors had examined St-Pierre and declared that his eye didn't suffer any serious damage and he should be able to resume training after 10 days.[65]

    Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_st_pierre

    No one cared about Weidman, Hendricks or Jon Jones at the time. Infact Jon Jones wasn't even the lhw champion yet until UFC 128 when he beat Shogun. Obviously by the time GSP beat Shields Jon Jones had zero title defenses. Both Silva and GSP were the two dominant champions in the UFC often involved in p4p discussions.

    Quote Originally Posted by YukonJordan View Post
    Silva should just accept the Bisping fight or the winner of Weidman/Boetsch at this point.
    A fight with Bisping would be a lucrative option otherwise I see him taking the time off. I don't see him being eager to burn one of the 2 remaining fights on his contract on any relative unknowns. Ofcourse as usual Silva will fight whom he is told to by the UFC unless he is signing his own paychecks.

    Quote Originally Posted by YukonJordan View Post
    If he just came out and destroyed guys right from the start he wouldn't have to worry about "big fights" because he'd be the biggest PPV buyrate guy the UFC had. Instead he comes off as a jerk in interviews and his mid fight antics. At least with GSP you know he's always trying his best to give the fans a good fight. Fans acknowledge that by buying his fights.
    Smart fans also know that Silva finishes most of his fights in highlight reel fashion within 2 rounds unlike GSP who hasn't finished an opponent in ages.
    Fans may not care about his mic skills or his inability to hype fights but he does his talking in the ring in true RJJ fashion. Casual fans love seeing finishes.


    Quote Originally Posted by YukonJordan View Post
    I will say this though. GSP has been lucky in the fact that the guys in his division have done a fantastic job of lining themselves up one by one as the number contender without to much debate required. All crazy tough guys who are well respected by fans, media and the MMA community in general(Dan Hardy being the exception there) . Can't say the same for the MW division. Still shocked that Anderson was willing to fight Cote, Leites and Maia without to many problems yet had to be talked into fighting Chael and still won't fight Weidman.
    Noone likes Chael not even Jon Jones so thats not much of a shocker. Weidman is a relative unknown. Again Silva has everything to lose and nothing to gain.
  • 11-19-2012, 06:55 AM
    Sakara=Excitement
    Yeah GSP's wrestling is all predicated on his striking. Chael doesn't have that luxury and just bulldozes people for the takedown. GSP is the best ever maybe at chaining takedowns after any amount of punches. So many times he's catching a guy throwing a punch in an exchange for a takedown.
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