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  • 12-03-2012, 08:36 PM
    Cat--Smasher
    Luke Rockhold to Michael Bisping: 'I'll see you in the UFC'


    Luke Rockhold●✔
    @LukeRockhold

    @bisping that's an interesting take, I'll see you in the UFC soon my friend.
    Luke Rockhold to Michael Bisping: 'I'll see you in the UFC' - Bloody Elbow
  • 12-03-2012, 05:35 AM
    roaddawg
    Quote Originally Posted by rampage9712 View Post
    Both Anderson and Rampage were big names in MMA when they came to the UFC.... Saying who the "casual" fan knew back then is pointless... Who did they know... Chuck, Tito, Randy, etc... not many fighters at all...
    Being a big name in MMA doesn't mean you're known by all audiences though. I've been watching the UFC since Royce Gracie was a stud and it wasn't until I joined this forum that I found out whom Fedor was. I didn't have access to Pride at the time and had to watch his fights via Youtube (same applies for Silva, Page, Shogun, Crocop).

    I had to jump over a few hurdles to get caught up to speed but what about those UFC fans that never ventured out to watch other orgs? I believe that is where the GAP lies and why so many didn't know much about Page, Silva, Fedor, Crocop yadda yadda.

    When the UFC finally acquired most of these talents they had to update their fanbase. Enters the hype train.
  • 12-03-2012, 05:08 AM
    lwbrewer
    Back on topic Bisping is full of it
  • 12-03-2012, 04:52 AM
    Sniggles
    Anderson was not a big name when he came into the UFC. He was a veteran of the sport, but not a big name.

    It was his entrance and first few fights that made him a household name.
  • 12-03-2012, 03:13 AM
    Kimbo> Rampage
    Both Anderson and Rampage were big names in MMA when they came to the UFC.... Saying who the "casual" fan knew back then is pointless... Who did they know... Chuck, Tito, Randy, etc... not many fighters at all...

    Rampage and Anderson were both ranked and well known by any decent MMA fan. Anderson had a stint in pride and success in other organizations, fighting some known fighters....

    Liddell certainly wasnt looking past rampage as he was asking for that fight to avenge his loss and Leban even admitted that he didnt think he was ready for Anderson at the time.
    Quote Originally Posted by roaddawg View Post
    If Chuck would have been proficient in MT like Shogun or Wandy Rampage probably would have gotten wrecked.
    That is asking a lot... Chuck has never been that kind of fighter...
  • 12-03-2012, 02:55 AM
    roaddawg
    Quote Originally Posted by H0SS View Post
    I'm not saying you are completely wrong, because there is some truth to what you are saying. But I also think that people were expecting Liddell to win because after the first loss to Rampage, he went on a 7-fight win streak (against guys like Couture x2, Ortiz x2, Babalu, Jeremy Horn, and Vernon White), winning every single fight by KO or TKO.

    Meanwhile, Jackson went 7-3 with some brutal losses to Wandy and Shogun.

    Also, there was the whole speculation that Pride fighters were juicing...

    Man, I miss the old days of Pride vs UFC. I hope some other promotion will rise up and rival the UFC. It would help the fighters, fans, and sport immensely to have some competition.
    Agreed I also think Rampage has trouble fighting guys really proficient in MT. I too remember Liddell's winning streak but I also remembered Chuck's 1st fight with Rampage.

    IMO Rampage simply had all the tools to beat Chuck in the rematch. Superb boxing, wrestling, a strong chin, good defense. If Chuck would have been proficient in MT like Shogun or Wandy Rampage probably would have gotten wrecked.
  • 12-03-2012, 01:03 AM
    H0SS
    Quote Originally Posted by roaddawg View Post
    That was actually something Page said himself which makes sense when you think about casual UFC fans who aren't likely to watch fights that happen in other orgs. This is the same reason why guys like Fedor, Overeem were also unknowns (for casuals). Obviously the hardcore fans knew everything about these guys.

    To them both Page and Silva came in as unknowns fighting their heros. Noone (amongst casuals) really expected Silva to beat Leben not even some fighters (Koscheck comes to mind).



    Also very few casuals expected Rampage to beat Liddel in the UFC. I still remember how the crowd reacted. It went something like OMG WTF just happened (like when Silva beat Griffin).

    Amongst the casuals its my belief that neither Silva or Rampage Jackson were suppose to win there respective UFC debuts. The only logical reason for the write offs imo was due to a lack of knowledge (ie they didn't know who the fug these guys were).

    I would love to have seen the fighter polls on who fans thought would win.
    I'm not saying you are completely wrong, because there is some truth to what you are saying. But I also think that people were expecting Liddell to win because after the first loss to Rampage, he went on a 7-fight win streak (against guys like Couture x2, Ortiz x2, Babalu, Jeremy Horn, and Vernon White), winning every single fight by KO or TKO.

    Meanwhile, Jackson went 7-3 with some brutal losses to Wandy and Shogun.

    Also, there was the whole speculation that Pride fighters were juicing...

    Man, I miss the old days of Pride vs UFC. I hope some other promotion will rise up and rival the UFC. It would help the fighters, fans, and sport immensely to have some competition.
  • 12-03-2012, 12:20 AM
    roaddawg
    Quote Originally Posted by H0SS View Post
    I wouldn't say he was as unknown as you make him out to be.

    Couture/Liddell III only drew 400k.
    Liddell/Sobral drew 500k.
    Liddell/Ortiz II 1,050,000
    Liddell/Jackson II 675k
    Liddell/Jardine 475K
    Lidell/Silva 650K
    Liddell Evans 480K

    Rampage's UFC debut fight (along with CroCop's) on the Anderson Silva/Travis Lutter main card drew 400k, which fell right in line with other PPV numbers around its time.

    Whether it was due to UFC marketing, Pride fans, or both, the casual UFC fans didn't treat Rampage like a "relative unknown".

    Source
    That was actually something Page said himself which makes sense when you think about casual UFC fans who aren't likely to watch fights that happen in other orgs. This is the same reason why guys like Fedor, Overeem were also unknowns (for casuals). Obviously the hardcore fans knew everything about these guys.

    To them both Page and Silva came in as unknowns fighting their heros. Noone (amongst casuals) really expected Silva to beat Leben not even some fighters (Koscheck comes to mind).



    Also very few casuals expected Rampage to beat Liddel in the UFC. I still remember how the crowd reacted. It went something like OMG WTF just happened (like when Silva beat Griffin).

    Amongst the casuals its my belief that neither Silva or Rampage Jackson were suppose to win there respective UFC debuts. The only logical reason for the write offs imo was due to a lack of knowledge (ie they didn't know who the fug these guys were).

    I would love to have seen the fighter polls on who fans thought would win.
  • 12-02-2012, 09:38 PM
    H0SS
    Quote Originally Posted by roaddawg View Post
    Both Rampage and Silva came into the UFC as relative unknowns to casual UFC fans. This is no secret to anyone.

    Only you would disagree with that something that even Rampage Jackson said in posted interviews....
    Quote Originally Posted by roaddawg View Post
    Silva already paid his dues before even coming to the UFC. However because he wasn't fighting in the UFC noone gave a rats ass about him or knew who he was. He basically came in like Rampage Jackson.
    I wouldn't say he was as unknown as you make him out to be.

    Couture/Liddell III only drew 400k.
    Liddell/Sobral drew 500k.
    Liddell/Ortiz II 1,050,000
    Liddell/Jackson II 675k
    Liddell/Jardine 475K
    Lidell/Silva 650K
    Liddell Evans 480K

    Rampage's UFC debut fight (along with CroCop's) on the Anderson Silva/Travis Lutter main card drew 400k, which fell right in line with other PPV numbers around its time.

    Whether it was due to UFC marketing, Pride fans, or both, the casual UFC fans didn't treat Rampage like a "relative unknown".

    Source
  • 12-02-2012, 08:17 PM
    m1ckeykn0x
    Hahaha, I laughed at the one with Lawlor and Petruzelli.

    And FarBeynd's suicide pic.

    Good stuff.
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