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  • 01-12-2013, 01:00 AM
    Sniggles
    What happened to rankings?
  • 12-27-2012, 10:38 PM
    brzi1
    Quote Originally Posted by Pasha K View Post
    What exactly is that score?
    That is Current Score and represents fighter’s current level in relation to all other fighters.
    That same number is used for ranking inside the weight category and for p4p.
    Also, this number is used to compare fighters from the past with the current fighters.
    It is calculated for all fighters weekly.
    If you want to know more, you can go to How Current Score is calculated

    That score also shows how dominant somebody is.
    If there are only couple of points difference between two fighters, that is like they could be swapped.

    Let me know what do you think - good or bad.
  • 12-27-2012, 09:08 PM
    Pasha K
    Quote Originally Posted by brzi1 View Post
    Since nobody is updating ranking here, can I offer my ranking.

    Here is top 25 P4P ranking:

    1. Anderson Silva (949)
    2. Jon Jones (936)
    3. Georges St. Pierre (919)
    4. Junior dos Santos (880)
    5. Benson Henderson (869)
    6. Jose Aldo (849)
    7. Dominick Cruz (846)
    8. Dan Henderson (811)
    9. Renan Pegado (796)
    10. Johny Hendricks (782)
    11. Alexander Gustafsson (764)
    12. Cain Velasquez (755)
    13. Alistair Overeem (750)
    14. Frankie Edgar (750)
    15. Daniel Cormier (742)
    16. Carlos Condit (741)
    17. Gilbert Melendez (721)
    18. Nate Diaz (718)
    19. Rashad Evans (713)
    20. Chris Weidman (712)
    21. Rory MacDonald (711)
    22. Fabricio Werdum (710)
    23. Frank Mir (702)
    24. Demetrious Johnson (695)
    25. Lyoto Machida (689)

    In brackets you have Current Score, to show how big is the difference.
    What do you think?
    What exactly is that score?
  • 12-27-2012, 04:22 AM
    brzi1
    Since nobody is updating ranking here, can I offer my ranking.

    Here is top 25 P4P ranking:

    1. Anderson Silva (949)
    2. Jon Jones (936)
    3. Georges St. Pierre (919)
    4. Junior dos Santos (880)
    5. Benson Henderson (869)
    6. Jose Aldo (849)
    7. Dominick Cruz (846)
    8. Dan Henderson (811)
    9. Renan Pegado (796)
    10. Johny Hendricks (782)
    11. Alexander Gustafsson (764)
    12. Cain Velasquez (755)
    13. Alistair Overeem (750)
    14. Frankie Edgar (750)
    15. Daniel Cormier (742)
    16. Carlos Condit (741)
    17. Gilbert Melendez (721)
    18. Nate Diaz (718)
    19. Rashad Evans (713)
    20. Chris Weidman (712)
    21. Rory MacDonald (711)
    22. Fabricio Werdum (710)
    23. Frank Mir (702)
    24. Demetrious Johnson (695)
    25. Lyoto Machida (689)

    In brackets you have Current Score, to show how big is the difference.
    What do you think?
  • 11-04-2012, 04:16 PM
    mulefloyd
    Good to see the PRIDE/JMMA love or UFC hate is still strong. Can't think of another reason why Takaya would still be in a top 10 list of FWs.

    About time for updates dontcha think?
  • 08-17-2012, 08:20 AM
    Dr. MMA
    Quote Originally Posted by Fe1 View Post
    I also have Tim ranked above Vitor. Even though his last win wasn't all that impressive it was over Hector Lombard.

    I have another question though. Why is Cris Cyborg ranked above Ronda Rousey? She tested positive for steroids, got stripped of the title and suspended for a year. Shouldn't that have her taken off the list entirely? For that matter why is King Mo on the list?
    Some rankings systems take suspensions into account, and some don't. We chose the latter as rankings systems based on the former remove the fighter out of the top 10 and insert them immediately upon their return. This thus defeats the whole purpose of moving up and down the rankings, i.e. fighters who are out of the top 10 should earn their way back in, not just temporary removed.

    We based our decision instead on activity of a fighter. Criteria D takes this into account.
  • 08-16-2012, 01:31 PM
    Fe1
    I also have Tim ranked above Vitor. Even though his last win wasn't all that impressive it was over Hector Lombard.

    I have another question though. Why is Cris Cyborg ranked above Ronda Rousey? She tested positive for steroids, got stripped of the title and suspended for a year. Shouldn't that have her taken off the list entirely? For that matter why is King Mo on the list?
  • 08-01-2012, 07:39 PM
    Sakara=Excitement
    Quote Originally Posted by SWIFTboy View Post
    we're not really looking to change our views on 'ranking theory', so to speak. We've already established it's a mix of subjective and objective and have five members that weigh these to varying degrees while taking certain established criteria into consideration. Arguing the theory behind it is just beating a dead horse.
    I'm fully aware. I was on the rankings committee before I was kicked off and kicked out of the batcave.
  • 08-01-2012, 03:26 PM
    Sniggles
    How a fighter wins should not completely negate who another has beaten in my books as there should be a greater degree of correlation of the rank of a fighter's opponents and the change in his rank. I'd have Boetsch at #4 but that's just me, I suppose.

    I suppose if Boetsch had finished Lombard or even won the decision in a more commanding fashion we wouldn't be having this discussion.
  • 08-01-2012, 02:34 PM
    SWIFTboy
    Quote Originally Posted by Sakara=Excitement View Post
    The reason why all this factoring shouldn't be weighed heavily is that factoring is SUBJECTIVE.

    Wins and losses are factual truths.
    So Matt Hammill is a better fighter and should be ranked above Jon Jones (if he weren't retired)?

    It's impossible for rankings to be completely objective and I actually think trying to do so makes them worse.

    For example, based on what you are arguing, someone who had NEVER watched MMA and just had a list of fight results would theoretically make better rankings than someone who had actually seen all the fights and knew the context of each one. THAT would be completely objective.

    On the other end of the spectrum, too much subjectivity leads to bias. Letting emotion get in the way of reason. Actually, it's kinda funny that you're supporting a completely objective approach considering you get pretty emotionally invested in any MMA topic, including rankings.

    It's all a moot point though, because although we definitely take opinions on the rankings of certain fighters into consideration (Belfort's ranking was definitely a worthy topic of discussion), we're not really looking to change our views on 'ranking theory', so to speak. We've already established it's a mix of subjective and objective and have five members that weigh these to varying degrees while taking certain established criteria into consideration. Arguing the theory behind it is just beating a dead horse.
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