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  • 01-17-2013, 01:22 PM
    joeodd2
    I think Zuffa is waiting to see how things go, and then they buy Invicta or start an all female promotion. I can easily see a WEC like scenario for the women's division, I think with the right marketing and the right hungry fighters, the UFC can easily make money with a women's division. They just need to put the time and energy into determining who would be their best market.

    Cyborg needs to cut her "walking around" weight down some. If she can get down to 150-155 through diet and exercise, then she only would have 15 to 20 pounds to hard cut. Not easy, but easier than 35-40lbs....I do hope she can make 135, I think Rhonda would shit herself....then after they fight maybe she and Gina can start a buddy cop show or something.......
  • 01-17-2013, 10:24 AM
    initial_zen
    I'm so confused when it comes to this new womens division. How many women fighters are even under the ufc's contract? They can't just have random women come in and fight for the title every once and a while. This whole division seems to be made up of just ronda. If this is going to become a real division, other fights are gonna have to take place.. ones with out ronda in them.
  • 01-17-2013, 10:02 AM
    Rise
    Quote Originally Posted by Bearded Big Country View Post
    The UFC messed up by starting the division without any key players or big names. Hense, its understandable for them to try and get their biggest draw into fighting shape. DC doesn't need it. Jones will find others to fight without DC. DC can take Mir, then go to light heavy with out causing Jones to have to wait on him. With Ronda she needs a big name to fight. The divisions can survive without GSP or Aldo if they need time to bulk up or bulk down, the women's needs as much help as it can get.
    I understand the reason for doing it just personally don't find them as valid reasons to do so.
  • 01-17-2013, 09:57 AM
    Bearded Big Country
    Quote Originally Posted by Rise View Post
    Yes but all fighters have to cut weight. Why make exceptions to help one and not the other. If they are going to do it for one they should be doing it for everyone or no one at all.

    If you think of recent trends with UFC giving title fights to those undeserving because it they think it will sell better and now helping a fighter make weight they are starting to get closer to that area of effecting match outcomes.
    The UFC messed up by starting the division without any key players or big names. Hense, its understandable for them to try and get their biggest draw into fighting shape. DC doesn't need it. Jones will find others to fight without DC. DC can take Mir, then go to light heavy with out causing Jones to have to wait on him. With Ronda she needs a big name to fight. The divisions can survive without GSP or Aldo if they need time to bulk up or bulk down, the women's needs as much help as it can get.
  • 01-17-2013, 09:36 AM
    Rise
    Quote Originally Posted by goodtimes View Post
    I think it's a special case because Cyborg hasn't worked in a while, and female fighters don't make much money in the first place. If the UFC was willing to pay for Cormier to get professional help to cut weight I don't see why that would be a problem, but I doubt it would happen since he did pretty well for himself recently.
    Yes but all fighters have to cut weight. Why make exceptions to help one and not the other. If they are going to do it for one they should be doing it for everyone or no one at all.

    If you think of recent trends with UFC giving title fights to those undeserving because it they think it will sell better and now helping a fighter make weight they are starting to get closer to that area of effecting match outcomes.
  • 01-17-2013, 05:18 AM
    goodtimes
    Quote Originally Posted by Rise View Post
    That's the problem they are doing it to prop up a division that really shouldn't be in the UFC at this point. Rousey hasn't been really tested and if she runs into someone who can keep it standing she may be in trouble on that basis maybe the UFC can hire a wrestling and muay thai coach for her. I know I'm ranting a bit but just think promoters shouldn't have direct involvement with the fighters like this.

    I wonder if people would be ok with the UFC hiring Dolce to help Cormier with his weight cut to LHW? Or hiring someone to help Aldo or GSP to bulk up so they can move up a division ?
    I think it's a special case because Cyborg hasn't worked in a while, and female fighters don't make much money in the first place. If the UFC was willing to pay for Cormier to get professional help to cut weight I don't see why that would be a problem, but I doubt it would happen since he did pretty well for himself recently.
  • 01-17-2013, 05:09 AM
    Rise
    Quote Originally Posted by Bearded Big Country View Post
    This case I say they do. The division is so weak right now and Borg is the one fighter who you could make a strong case for the title shot. They either need to start lining up fighters to get a number one contender or get Borg to make the cut. Otherwise its limbo.
    That's the problem they are doing it to prop up a division that really shouldn't be in the UFC at this point. Rousey hasn't been really tested and if she runs into someone who can keep it standing she may be in trouble on that basis maybe the UFC can hire a wrestling and muay thai coach for her. I know I'm ranting a bit but just think promoters shouldn't have direct involvement with the fighters like this.

    I wonder if people would be ok with the UFC hiring Dolce to help Cormier with his weight cut to LHW? Or hiring someone to help Aldo or GSP to bulk up so they can move up a division ?
  • 01-17-2013, 05:06 AM
    goodtimes
    Quote Originally Posted by rampage9712 View Post
    Im not even going to get stared up talking about "walk around weight" but if it is true, that she weighs 173 walking around in good shape with low body fat%, than she is a huge women.
    I'm guessing she's around 15-20% body fat at that weight since lower then that is really hard for a woman to maintain. Even so, 5'8", 173 lbs and lean for a woman is just massive.
  • 01-17-2013, 04:41 AM
    Bearded Big Country
    Quote Originally Posted by Rise View Post

    Zuffa/UFC has no business getting involved in the training end of things they should be leaving that to the individuals. Paying for selected people to get any assistance with diet and weight cutting doesn't really show them as being impartial. Of course it's not like they are exactly heading in the direction of being an impartial and fair in terms of matchmaking anyways.
    This case I say they do. The division is so weak right now and Borg is the one fighter who you could make a strong case for the title shot. They either need to start lining up fighters to get a number one contender or get Borg to make the cut. Otherwise its limbo.
  • 01-17-2013, 03:47 AM
    Rise
    Great now all they have to actually do is get women fighters under contract to say actually have a women's division with actual fights...


    Zuffa/UFC has no business getting involved in the training end of things they should be leaving that to the individuals. Paying for selected people to get any assistance with diet and weight cutting doesn't really show them as being impartial. Of course it's not like they are exactly heading in the direction of being an impartial and fair in terms of matchmaking anyways.
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