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  • 11-08-2013, 08:08 PM
    Sniggles
    Many of the people who are either pro-TRT or do not care used to be vehemently against it in the past. Some even likened the treatment to designer steroids.

    It is amazing what learning can do for someone rather than forming and sticking with a predetermined position.
  • 11-08-2013, 07:25 PM
    optimusjoel
    Quote Originally Posted by SimpleJack View Post
    It allows them to test out at a normal level at fight/test time. I assure you, their levels are far above normal in the preceding weeks and during training due to the shot schedule. The shots are administered in dosages that peak their levels for a few days to a few weeks. Then, those levels slowly taper off. Look into the explanations of some of the failed tests recently and you will see plenty of situations where the test was given at a time when their levels were still above normal.
    I've heard Rogan explain it as, they got the shot which brings their test levels to within the proper range, but then they use the daily cream to boost it up.
  • 11-08-2013, 05:22 PM
    SimpleJack
    It allows them to test out at a normal level at fight/test time. I assure you, their levels are far above normal in the preceding weeks and during training due to the shot schedule. The shots are administered in dosages that peak their levels for a few days to a few weeks. Then, those levels slowly taper off. Look into the explanations of some of the failed tests recently and you will see plenty of situations where the test was given at a time when their levels were still above normal.
  • 11-08-2013, 05:07 PM
    Ginmortal
    It gives them the same level as it's supposed to be in their age group.
    I understand why a fighter would abuse them, obviously, if your livelihood depends on your performance, you will do everything available to extend that ability to generate income, it then becomes a money issue.
    Is it good or bad? I don't know, it depends on the perspective you see it.
    Let's just hope that those guys abusing it don't have long term health problems from it.
  • 11-08-2013, 04:52 PM
    SimpleJack
    That's not entirely true. their levels are higher following injections and taper off. With smart planning, they can absolutely use it for a performance enhancement during training.
  • 11-08-2013, 04:33 PM
    joeodd2
    no it doesn't do that....it gives them normal levels for men their age ginmortal. Not the levels of a 20 year old. That's why they test and should test them every week. There is an average range for men in a certain age group. They still get more tired and sore than younger guys, they just have NORMAL testosorone levels for men their age instead of lower levels for guys their age. Not every guy in his 30s and 40s have low T.
  • 11-08-2013, 04:18 PM
    Ginmortal
    But isn't it supposed to assist the recovery process? A younger guy can go longer in the gym and have better recovery for the next sessions, while as we age, we take longer to recover, it becomes more painful and thus we have to train "smarter, not harder".
    If the body naturally breaks down, doing TRT evens the level physically and gives the "edge" to fighters with better technique and gameplan.
  • 11-08-2013, 04:00 PM
    Hawkeye
    This might be the most polarizing thread weve had in a while.
    I like it.

    H.
  • 11-08-2013, 03:27 PM
    joeodd2
    sorry but TRT is really a non issue. Most of the guys who have used it lost their fights. Vitor and Hendo are probably the most succesful fighters on it. I'd rather see them compete at their best as long as they can then see the run down shadows trying to hang around. Eventually a healthier, younger, more talented fighter will beat them. Experience is a two way street. you can have experience in tough situation, but you can also have "bad habits" that get you beat. Ask John Fitch and Anderson Silva about "bad habits", hell every fighter has them and the older fighters get, the harder it is to change. If they test these guys every week and they have the levels for someone their age, then what's the big deal again? Should female fighters on harmones not be allowed to fight?
  • 11-08-2013, 12:28 PM
    SimpleJack
    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    TRT doesnt stop the detriments of old age my friend. Depending on the person some peoples testosterone levels drop faster than others as they age. All TRT does is put you back to where you should be natually. The reason most athletes need it over normal people is that they typically always functioned higher with more natural testosterone in their bodies to the drop is that much more significant. No fountain of youth. Just a regualr life.


    H.
    I love ya, man but I said ONE of the detriments of old age and I framed it within the life of a fighter. That means the body's tapering off of testosterone production is a natural system due to many factors. This system is thwarted by the treatment.
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