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[Noob]

Originally Posted by The Sundance Kid

I watched like a 9 hour program on time and how it relates to everything. Science channel. Pretty fucking trippy.


Time is the enemy.

Fucker.

I read a book on that once. Fabric of The Cosmos by Brian Greene. 'Trippy' is exactly the right word for it. Completely changes the way you look at things.

[FFFRpickup]

Originally Posted by Noob

Your treatment of this is laughable. You have obviously invested no time in researching anything that has gone on in this case.


I'm not even saying that he's innocent. But to use your phasing, "it's an undeniable FACT" that all human beings produce the same chemical that he was tested for. He just happened to have more than was considered normal. And "it's an undeniable FACT" that there have been several studies that suggest the current testing system, and guidelines for acceptable testing limits are out of alignment with the biology and chemistry of that particular compound. Not to mention at least two studies have recommended that the upper limit be more than 10 times what it is now.



If he took something, then strip him. But I'm tired of these black-and-white treatments of these issues as though everyone is suddenly a pharmacological expert with specialties in performance-enhancing supplements. You don't know what you're talking about.

Yes i do not study these situations to the degree that others do. Yes the testing is arguably old school and obsolete not acounting for routines and suppliments and the body naturally producing more in certains situations. theya re looking to raise the limit or what ever. That's all fine and dandy. I don't study and spend all my time doing sherks and his lawyers homework. I don't look at studies the universities do.

Maybe i shouldn't jump the gun and call him a roid case...but I can if i want.
I jsut feel i't's lame for somebody to get caught with to much of a substance in his body and NOW will question it!

I'm entitled to say what i want. I didn't verbally assault you or your family. I can say what I want. Do all posts have to be serious and methodiacally planned out. oh ya and don't forget the research everybody must do before posting! ..HMMM I may have to hire a team of edtiors and researchers to OK my posts before i post them.

I appreciate the fact that you didn't go off and curse and insult me. You were straight forward with your replies and that's great. I just do not have the time to research and read absolutally everything before I post.

that said...you posted this..."If he took something, then strip him. But I'm tired of these black-and-white treatments of these issues as though everyone is suddenly a pharmacological expert with specialties in performance-enhancing supplements. You don't know what you're talking about."

He was over the limit...right?
so NOW fight the rules..that's a little to late. OBVIOUSLY sherk didn't do his research. the way he was training and taking all those supplements. Sherk must have know that the rules were outdated regarding the actual amounts of stuff.

I've been following MMA for about 13 or 14 years. I love watching it..i love fighting..and submitting people. It's enjoyable. I wish I had the time to train with a team. I get to these websites and i can't voice my opinion...even in teh noob section..hehe. I lose 20 rep points for my opinion in this post. becasue I don't have time to study facts figures and university studies...not to forget all the substances that are NOT allowed and their legal limits..AND how these limits have to be revisited and revised!



Thanks noob. PLEASE check out all my other posts and let me know if i've reseached properly. hit me up for -reps.

[Noob]

Originally Posted by FFFRpickup

I jsut feel i't's lame for somebody to get caught with to much of a substance in his body and NOW will question it!

Should he have questioned the limits beforehand? He's a fighter, not a biochemist or a member of the Athletic Commission. His job is to fight, I doubt he spends much time in a laboratory studying the metabolite processes of various sports supplements.


I'm not going back to the "he didn't know so he shouldn't be guilty" argument, but putting the impetus on Sherk to dispute current level-testing criteria before he has a problem with them is a bit much. Very few people tackle any issue before they have a problem with it, fighters or not.

Originally Posted by FFFRpickup

Maybe i shouldn't jump the gun and call him a roid case...but I can if i want.

You can say a lot of things. Maybe I shouldn't call you out for it...but I can if I want.

Originally Posted by FFFRpickup

I'm entitled to say what i want. I didn't verbally assault you or your family. I can say what I want. HMMM I may have to hire a team of edtiors and researchers to OK my posts before i post them.

You can say what you want. And apparently you say say "I can say what I want" multiple times in a single post. And let's not forget that this is a two-way street. If you "can say what {you want}" then that would entitle me and everyone else on here to the same privilege.


Of course you can say what you want (within reason). I never indicated otherwise. If you like popsicles, be sure to share that. If you are very fond of The Olsen twins, also, cool thing to announce. Your opinions on Sherk? Okay. This was never in dispute. You are welcome to post your opinion.

Originally Posted by FFFRpickup

I just do not have the time to research and read absolutally everything before I post.

No one does. But this information isn't hidden and maintained in a secret vault by a team of blind monks that form the nucleus of an ages-old secret society with the sole purpose of protecting hidden scientific information. This information is on the same forum you're posting on.


You don't need the time to read "absolutely everything," just time to read something, anything about the topic on which you're posting.

Originally Posted by FFFRpickup

I lose 20 rep points for my opinion in this post. becasue I don't have time to study facts figures and university studies...not to forget all the substances that are NOT allowed and their legal limit

Very few people have the time to do hard-and-fast medical research on these subject. But you don't have to. If you had read any of the 20 threads about the Sean Sherk situation that we have had in the past 2 months you could have picked up all this information and more. It's not a matter of digging through scientific journals for hours on end. It's just a matter of 4 clicks, and 10 minutes of reading.

[FFFRpickup]

Originally Posted by Noob

Should he have questioned the limits beforehand? He's a fighter, not a biochemist or a member of the Athletic Commission. His job is to fight, I doubt he spends much time in a laboratory studying the metabolite processes of various sports supplements.


I'm not going back to the "he didn't know so he shouldn't be guilty" argument, but putting the impetus on Sherk to dispute current level-testing criteria before he has a problem with them is a bit much. Very few people tackle any issue before they have a problem with it, fighters or not.






You can say a lot of things.




You can say what you want. And apparently you say say "I can say what I want" multiple times in a single post. And let's not forget that this is a two-way street. If you "can say what {you want}" then that would entitle me to the same privilege.


Of course you can say what you want (within reason). I never indicated otherwise. If you like popsicles, be sure to share that. If you are very fond of The Olsen twins, also, cool thing to announce. Your opinions on Sherk? Okay. This was never in dispute. You are welcome to post your opinion.





No one does. But this information isn't hidden and maintained in a secret vault by a team of blind monks that form the nucleus of an ages-old secret society with the sole purpose of protecting hidden scientific information. This information is on the same forum you're posting on.


You don't need the time to read "absolutely everything," just time to read something, anything about the topic on which you're posting.

Originally Posted by FFFRpickup

I lose 20 rep points for my opinion in this post. becasue I don't have time to study facts figures and university studies...not to forget all the substances that are NOT allowed and their legal limits]


Very few people have the time to do hard-and-fast medical research on these subject. But you don't have to. If you had read any of the 20 threads about the Sean Sherk situation that we have had in the past 2 months you could have picked up all this information and more. It's not a matter of digging through scientific journals for hours on end. It's just a matter of 4 clicks, and 10 minutes of reading.

I understand. I'm not angry withanybody. I jsut want to be able to post my opinion(without insulting anyone, of course) and not have negative reps because somebody doesn't agree or feels like I should have stufied more befoe i post.. take care.

[Noob]

Originally Posted by FFFRpickup

I understand. I'm not angry withanybody. I jsut want to be able to post my opinion(without insulting anyone, of course) and not have negative reps because somebody doesn't agree or feels like I should have stufied more befoe i post.. take care.

As a fellow poster: You are welcome to post your opinion. And other people are welcome to agree or disagree with you. That is their opinion. If you are going to share your thoughts, you have to expect others to share theirs as well, both positive and negative.



As a mod: You have had a series of sort of 'opinion pieces' to the threads you have been starting that have been more or less apropos of nothing. They are not really news, more just kind of a personal diary of sorts. I'm not telling you that you can't share your opinion, but these threads don't really add much to the conversation here.


Nothing is being said in the threads you are starting that couldn't have been put in one of the many existing threads about the same topic. Sometimes (most of the time) it's better to add to an existing thread rather than create a new one if the topic is the same. This is especially true if you want to share your opinion or thoughts on an existing topic. It is much easier (and less cluttered) to share your thoughts about a topic in the thread designated for that topic. As opposed to creating new and unecessary threads.

[sabreclaww]

I am much smarter now from this exchange.
Noob, as usual you have stated clearly a valid point with both accuracy and knowledge. I must say, in the thread a few months ago about this very topic I stated much the same about the recent article that had come out. 12 Could be reached naturally, and some were crying out for higher levels.

Holy grail? yes...again, agree with Noob

I love the hack hack idea of sport. The "I heard that someone did something and so obviously boot them cause i'm angry."

I'm with Noob. I wont believe anything till the designated appeal system is in motion. It can be flawed. I for one HOPe that Sherk is NOT abusing, and to me, it seems that if anyone...he is the one who takes this seriously.

War noob....

[sandywh]

Originally Posted by Noob

As a mod: You have had a series of sort of 'opinion pieces' to the threads you have been starting that have been more or less apropos of nothing. They are not really news, more just kind of a personal diary of sorts. I'm not telling you that you can't share your opinion, but these threads don't really add much to the conversation here.


Nothing is being said in the threads you are starting that couldn't have been put in one of the many existing threads about the same topic. Sometimes (most of the time) it's better to add to an existing thread rather than create a new one if the topic is the same. This is especially true if you want to share your opinion or thoughts on an existing topic. It is much easier (and less cluttered) to share your thoughts about a topic in the thread designated for that topic. As opposed to creating new and unecessary threads.