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[FFFRpickup]

What is sherk trying to prove with this appeal? that he didn't know that he had an illegal substance in his system? that's unfortunate..live with it. I understand a person is innocent until proven guilty BUT it's an undenialable FACT that he had an Illegal substance in his body...strip the belt from his roids infested waist! what's the UFC waiting for? Are they waiting for this appeal to end and then have a bloody press conference only to make sherk look like a victim? The ufc has just released Anthony Torres from his contract for roids. why the delay with sherk? The APPEAL can't save sherk. It can only make his look like a victim. So what.you didn't know. hopefully this doesn't set president or the ufc is fucked. everybody will just say..what it's off the shelf stuff..not my fault. Please. this is an absolute crock of horse manuer. The BEST thing the Dana White can to is hold a press conference and once he pulls sherks balls out of his mouth, utter the words..The LW title is up for grabs again!

This is how I feel. I'm sorry if i offended anybody but feel free to agree or disagree. I just feel That the UFC needs credevbility and they have to stand up and do what's right even if it involves their holy grail..sean sherk.

[kingrobert]

I was really hoping that Shrek would be fighting Bj in December. There is no denying that Shrek did test positive and I dont think he is going to win his appeal. I know i may get killed for saying this but I dont think Shrek knowingly used steroids. It doesnt matter though if you know your taking steroids or not the bottom line is its in your system and your going to get susspended for probably a year.

Shrek is a great fighter and the fact people will always be talking or wondering about him is something he is going to have to live with.

[FFFRpickup]

Originally Posted by The Sundance Kid

Well aparently he passed a polygraph.



IF that means anything.

didn't OJ simpson pass a lie detector test also?

You're right..IF that means anything.

[Noob]

Originally Posted by FFFRpickup

What is sherk trying to prove with this appeal? that he didn't know that he had an illegal substance in his system? that's unfortunate..live with it. I understand a person is innocent until proven guilty BUT it's an undenialable FACT that he had an Illegal substance in his body...

Your treatment of this is laughable. You have obviously invested no time in researching anything that has gone on in this case.


I'm not even saying that he's innocent. But to use your phasing, "it's an undeniable FACT" that all human beings produce the same chemical that he was tested for. He just happened to have more than was considered normal. And "it's an undeniable FACT" that there have been several studies that suggest the current testing system, and guidelines for acceptable testing limits are out of alignment with the biology and chemistry of that particular compound. Not to mention at least two studies have recommended that the upper limit be more than 10 times what it is now.



If he took something, then strip him. But I'm tired of these black-and-white treatments of these issues as though everyone is suddenly a pharmacological expert with specialties in performance-enhancing supplements. You don't know what you're talking about.

Originally Posted by FFFRpickup

strip the belt from his roids infested waist! what's the UFC waiting for? Are they waiting for this appeal to end and then have a bloody press conference only to make sherk look like a victim? The ufc has just released Anthony Torres from his contract for roids. why the delay with sherk?

The UFC is waiting for due process. The Athletic Comission gave Sherk an extension, and they are waiting on the hearing.


Anthony Torres tested positive for a 'banned substance.' But no one has come out to say what the substance was, what his levels were, or even if it was a performance enhancing substance. Could have been too many poppy seeds on his BigMac for all we know. The comparison isn't even close to being valid.



But since we're making comparisons, how about Toney? He tested positive, and for higher levels if I remember correctly. And he has tested positive in the past, at least once. And all he did was stand up in front of the committee and say "I didn't do it." That's it, they let him go.

Originally Posted by FFFRpickup

this is an absolute crock of horse manuer.

If we're talking about your post then I agree.

Originally Posted by FFFRpickup

I just feel That the UFC needs credevbility and they have to stand up and do what's right even if it involves their holy grail..sean sherk.

Sean Sherk is by no means their Holy Grail. The list of fighters that are more important to the UFC in terms of marketing and credibilit is longer than Robert Downey Jr.'s rap sheet. Couture, Crocop, AA, Big Nog, Wandy, Shogun, Liddell, GSP, Hughes, Franklin, almost all of the TUFers, the list could go on.


If anything, Sherk is getting the benefit of the situation because aside from being champ no one pays him much mind. Do you honestly think that if this were Liddell, or Couture, or Franklin, or any number of the other posterboys of the UFC ranks that this thing would be receiving as little attention as it is?


You only have to look at what they pay Sean Sherk to realize that he's not their Holy Grail. He's not even close. He is by far the most underpaid champion on the UFC roster.




Your threads have tended on the ranting side for a while, but they've normally just been kind of head-scratching op-ed pieces. This one is just bad, even by Noob Jack standards.

Originally Posted by The Sundance Kid

what's the date on the appeal?

I know he got an extension, but I think I've seen a date set in stone. Anyone know what it is? I think it is this month sometime, if not defiantly sometime in November.

I believe it is the end of this month. The 30th or 31st, if memory serves.

Originally Posted by kingrobert

I was really hoping that Shrek would be fighting Bj in December. There is no denying that Shrek did test positive and I dont think he is going to win his appeal. I know i may get killed for saying this but I dont think Shrek knowingly used steroids. It doesnt matter though if you know your taking steroids or not the bottom line is its in your system and your going to get susspended for probably a year.

Shrek is a great fighter and the fact people will always be talking or wondering about him is something he is going to have to live with.

Shrek =








Sherk =

[dickrocketjones]

Can anyone tell me exactly it was that he tested positive for? and what the levels and tolerances were? Do you think he should go for the wiki defense like Floyd Landis? Although he was ruled against he did build a lot of support and sympathy.

[Noob]

Originally Posted by dickrocketjones

Can anyone tell me exactly it was that he tested positive for? and what the levels and tolerances were? Do you think he should go for the wiki defense like Floyd Landis? Although he was ruled against he did build a lot of support and sympathy.

Sherk tested positive for Nandrolone. If I remember right, the Athletic Commission stated in a report that they consider 2-6ng/ml to be the range of a normal athelete. Sherk tested in at 12ng/ml.


However, there have been multiple studies cropping up in the last several years that have cast some doubt on the acceptable levels of Nandrolone in athletes. Variables such as cardiovascular exercise, recency of exercise to the time of testing, electrolyte beverages, and a number of other factors have all been suggested to heavily influence the readings on such a test.


Two particular studies (I'm too lazy to go find them again, but they were last posted by Rufio in a thread in the main forum about Sherk) suggest that the upper limit could only reasonably be set somewhere around 100ng/ml in order to prevent mis-testing and occlude these extraneous factors.


With a recommended upper limit of 100ng/ml, Sherk would have tested at just over 1/10th of the proposed limit. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with this number, but it puts his test into perspective as opposed to people making the blanket statement that "he's roided up."


It's not hard-and-fast literature, but it's late and I'm too tired to go digging through science journals right now, so:

Originally Posted by Wikipedia.org

Urine analysis as a method of detecting nandrolone abuse has recently become somewhat controversial, following studies by the University of Aberdeen showing that the metabolite product can also show up in urine in quantities above the upper limit from a combination of high-protein diets utilising the legal nutritional supplement creatine and hard cardiovascular exercise. The reason for this unexpected result has not been determined.

High-protein diet, hard cardiovascular exercise, and use of creatine would all seem to be pretty normal, and expected, parts of a professional athlete's routine. So hence the less-than-open-and-shut nature of this case. Though some people enjoy jumping the gun, and are quick to condemn Sherk for something that it's possible he didn't even do.

[Nutsblood]

If I recall correctly, his appeal date is on October 31.

[Noob]

Originally Posted by The Sundance Kid

YOu must have money bet on sherk, Noob?


LMFAO...


I do to, odds were too good, hell I might throw a few more dollars at it.

I bet vbookie money like it's water. This is starting to become like Hughes/Serra, it's just gone on so long now that I'm sick of hearing about it. I don't even really care what the outcome is, I just want it to be over with.


It's like making out with a hot girl you just met. You're kissing, touching, 30 minutes go by and you're still kind of playing the game and taking it slow. But good fucking Lord, after a while you just have to start taking shit off, pulling her hair, and letting her have it. You can only sit around and get blue balls for so long. Eventually Mr. Willie is just going to say 'social norms be damned, I'm coming out to play.' This is how I feel about Sherk, and Hughes/Serra. Not the sexual part, lol, just the fact that I'm growing old on the same tired debates when no one has said anything new in two months.



Just finish it already. This was beyond old a month ago. And Fedor too. Just fucking sign or something. Or don't. But this hokey-pokey incessant indecisiveness is becoming more played out than David Hasselhoff at the Icecapades. I don't even know if he's ever even been a part of the Icecapades, but if he was then I'm sure it would have played out really fast. Who would want to watch that?

[Noob]

Originally Posted by The Sundance Kid

Time.

Once upon a...



Or, ...Is on my side?

[sandywh]

A) Sherk keeps going with the appeal because he believes that he is innocent.

B) He stays champ as long as he is appealing the suspension

C) If he wins, the suspension could be reduced to the equivalent of "time served"

D) He did fail the test, but as Noob brilliantly (suck up) posted, the testing maybe flawed and if he can change that it would only serve to help.

E) His entire career could be on the line. If labeled a juicer, every fight from then on becomes about the steroids. The UFC can't & won't tolerate a black eye everytime he fights.

F) I'd rather see Sherk / BJ than any other LW fight. All the other guys are exiting, but that match up is awesome.