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[TN94z]

From what I saw when the shorter guy was in the clinch with a taller guy the smaller guy had more leverage to push the taller guys clinch away. I know that it is easier for the taller guys to get the knees up on a shorter guy...anyone can see that. I am speaking in terms of getting out of the clinch. Part of the clinch is pulling the guy in and holding him with your hands clasped and forearms on the chest, right? So the taller guy has to make more of an effort to hold on to the shorter man because he has to hold on with his hands only.

[MasterShake]

Your almost right, when the taller guy has his hands rapped around the opponents neck it is when the taller fighter leans over top and pushes the weight on top of his opponents head and neck is what makes it harder for the smaller guy, his only option being smaller would be to drop to the ground which no fighter would do that. MOst of the clench is all fingers and hands to hold the guys head they dont rest there elbows on the guys sholders or anything.

[TN94z]

Okay. I was thinking that the forearms held pressure too. It has been a while. But it did seem that the shorter guys were getting out of the clinch more easily in class. Either way, I agree that Hughes would be killed in the clinch with Silva. I'm not denying that. But that wouldn't be part of Hughes' game plan either. His one and only game plan is taking him down and keeping him down....you would hope.

[rivethead]

Originally Posted by TN94z

I still don't think Silva could beat Gracie in a grappling match. Knee surgery, knee surgery......if it was going to be a factor then he wouldn't have taken the fight. Enough with the knee surgery. So cinch or sinch.....is my intelligence being quesitoned now? I didn't say that getting caught in an arm bar doesn't make him a BB...I said that many people have questioned his BB status. A BJJ BB gets caught in submissions no doubt, but they should also be able to finish something as elementary as a triangle when you have it locked it like that. Its not that his knees wouldn't allow him to CINCH it, its that he obvioulsy didn't know that the arm must be pulled across the chest to finish off the move. If he would have pulled Lutter's arm across then the fight would have ended in submission....again, elementary for a BB?

Lighten up Francis. Nobody is questioning your intelligence...you made a elementary error, I corrected it.

Royce would fare much better against Anderson in a pure grappling match than he did against Hughes at UFC 60. I still don't know that he'd win, but that doesn't negate my point. You were using the Hughes/Gracie fight to illustrate how Hughes would fare against Silva, and I was pointing out that Silva has more than just BJJ, he's an elite striker. I made the counter point in bringing up Penn, as being more apt, pertaining to the original argument. Again, I don't know that Royce would win, but I do know MMA isn't a pure grappling match, and while it makes up 95% of Gracie's arsenal, it's only 50% of Silvas.

You then questioned Silva's BB status--or if you don't want to take credit for questioning it yourself--you actually said "many people" have questioned his BB status. You then used the elementary armbar as the first example after that statement. If you weren't using that as an example to his BB into question, I'm not sure why you put it in there at all. I'm glad we can agree that it has nothing to do with him having BJJ though.

So "many people" have questioned Anderson's BB status? For his "whole career?" Well, "many people" buy Brittney Spears CD's and it doesn't make them smart and/or informed. Silva earned his belt from the Nogieras Anyone who thinks they give out joke belts should post at Sherdog, [and probably owns a lot of Brittney Spears CD's]. Just because some clueless jackass starts a bullshit rumor doesn't mean it needs to be repeated.

As far as not pulling the arm across to secure the triangle, it's always easy to quarterback from the armchair. Everybody makes mistakes in fights, but not everybody can learn from them. It still doesn't negate his BB, which he earned from one of the most reputable schools in the industry. And again, Silva did fine on the ground against Marquardt, who has better BJJ and as good of ground as Hughes, with far more power.

Knee surgery wasn't a factor in the Lutter fight? I can't imagine anyone with the heart and skill to become champion NOT fighting if there was even a chance of them winning, and I can't imagine anyone who trains at that level going into a fight 100% unhurt. I can't imagine that knee surgery didn't play some role in his performance. If you can, good luck to you.

rh

[TN94z]

Originally Posted by rivethead

Lighten up Francis. Nobody is questioning your intelligence...you made a elementary error, I corrected it.

Royce would fare much better against Anderson in a pure grappling match than he did against Hughes at UFC 60. I still don't know that he'd win, but that doesn't negate my point. You were using the Hughes/Gracie fight to illustrate how Hughes would fare against Silva, and I was pointing out that Silva has more than just BJJ, he's an elite striker. I made the counter point in bringing up Penn, as being more apt, pertaining to the original argument. Again, I don't know that Royce would win, but I do know MMA isn't a pure grappling match, and while it makes up 95% of Gracie's arsenal, it's only 50% of Silvas.

You then questioned Silva's BB status--or if you don't want to take credit for questioning it yourself--you actually said "many people" have questioned his BB status. You then used the elementary armbar as the first example after that statement. If you weren't using that as an example to his BB into question, I'm not sure why you put it in there at all. I'm glad we can agree that it has nothing to do with him having BJJ though.

So "many people" have questioned Anderson's BB status? For his "whole career?" Well, "many people" buy Brittney Spears CD's and it doesn't make them smart and/or informed. Silva earned his belt from the Nogieras Anyone who thinks they give out joke belts should post at Sherdog, [and probably owns a lot of Brittney Spears CD's]. Just because some clueless jackass starts a bullshit rumor doesn't mean it needs to be repeated.

As far as not pulling the arm across to secure the triangle, it's always easy to quarterback from the armchair. Everybody makes mistakes in fights, but not everybody can learn from them. It still doesn't negate his BB, which he earned from one of the most reputable schools in the industry. And again, Silva did fine on the ground against Marquardt, who has better BJJ and as good of ground as Hughes, with far more power.

Knee surgery wasn't a factor in the Lutter fight? I can't imagine anyone with the heart and skill to become champion NOT fighting if there was even a chance of them winning, and I can't imagine anyone who trains at that level going into a fight 100% unhurt. I can't imagine that knee surgery didn't play some role in his performance. If you can, good luck to you.

rh

There you go again...Francis, that's cute. DamienMasters has also made some "elementary mistakes" but I haven't seen you say anything about those. No I wasn't. Someone posted up that Silva's BJJ counters were too good and he was very slippery on the ground and that Hughes couldn't keep him down. I only brought up Gracie because he beat Gracie and Gracie has as good as or better BJJ counters than Silva. Not once did I compare Gracie's all around game to Silva's all around game. Who am I am to question Anderson Silva's BB in BJJ? I am just stating that I have read on this board that people in MMA have questioned whether or not he is a true BB. I have heard the announcers in the UFC also state this. Not my opinion because I have no room to talk on that subject. It is east to quarter back from the arm chair, Britney..you are right everyone does make mistakes, but when a BB in BJJ attempts a triangle without doing it correctly then what is that? That is like trying a rear naked choke but forgetting to squeeze. Every fighter does come in the fight hurt..no doubt, but if the knees were that big of a factor then he wouldn't have fought. And one more suggestion....try replying like a normal human being. Everyone here has the right to state their opinion in any thread here...just because you have a high post count doesn't give you the right to be a D***!!!!!

[TN94z]

Hughes would be better in the later rounds as he has insane cardio

And yes Silva would find his range and end it, probably early.

Even if hughes took the fight to the ground i do not think he would be able to do signifigant damage. Silva is very Squirmy with excellent Jiu-Jitsu Counters

If hughes beats serra, moving up to fight silva would be incredibly stupid IMO.

Here is the post I was replying to just in case you skipped to the end to throw in your two cents.

[TN94z]

You don't think that Gracie had excellent BJJ counters? He is one of the best in the world as far as anything BJJ goes. Hughes took him apart. So that point is moot. I actually think if Hughes beats Serra and GSP(which I don't think he will), that it would be a great idea to fight Silva. If he loses, who cares. Most people are starting not to like him anyway. If he wins, look at what he would have accomplished.

And here is my reply. Where in this reply do I state that Gracie is as good as Silva all around? It looks to me like I was just talking about Gracie's BJJ counters....not the striking.

[TN94z]

So "many people" have questioned Anderson's BB status? For his "whole career?" Well, "many people" buy Brittney Spears CD's and it doesn't make them smart and/or informed. Silva earned his belt from the Nogieras Anyone who thinks they give out joke belts should post at Sherdog, [and probably owns a lot of Brittney Spears CD's]. Just because some clueless jackass starts a bullshit rumor doesn't mean it needs to be repeated.

You don't like Britney Spears??? The "whole career" was a little out of line, I agree. Can you spell "Nogueira" again for me please? I didn't say they gave out joke belts. I just remember reading that in the past. I hope that by clueless jackass you weren't directing that toward me? I see many bullshit rumors repeated on this board...why not hit them all?

[MasterShake]

Originally Posted by TN94z

There you go again...Francis, that's cute. DamienMasters has also made some "elementary mistakes" but I haven't seen you say anything about those. No I wasn't. Someone posted up that Silva's BJJ counters were too good and he was very slippery on the ground and that Hughes couldn't keep him down. I only brought up Gracie because he beat Gracie and Gracie has as good as or better BJJ counters than Silva. Not once did I compare Gracie's all around game to Silva's all around game. Who am I am to question Anderson Silva's BB in BJJ? I am just stating that I have read on this board that people in MMA have questioned whether or not he is a true BB. I have heard the announcers in the UFC also state this. Not my opinion because I have no room to talk on that subject. It is east to quarter back from the arm chair, Britney..you are right everyone does make mistakes, but when a BB in BJJ attempts a triangle without doing it correctly then what is that? That is like trying a rear naked choke but forgetting to squeeze. Every fighter does come in the fight hurt..no doubt, but if the knees were that big of a factor then he wouldn't have fought. And one more suggestion....try replying like a normal human being. Everyone here has the right to state their opinion in any thread here...just because you have a high post count doesn't give you the right to be a D***!!!!!

Originally Posted by TN94z

You don't like Britney Spears??? The "whole career" was a little out of line, I agree. Can you spell "Nogueira" again for me please? I didn't say they gave out joke belts. I just remember reading that in the past. I hope that by clueless jackass you weren't directing that toward me? I see many bullshit rumors repeated on this board...why not hit them all?

QUOTE=TN94z]And here is my reply. Where in this reply do I state that Gracie is as good as Silva all around? It looks to me like I was just talking about Gracie's BJJ counters....not the striking.[/QUOTE]

Originally Posted by TN94z

Here is the post I was replying to just in case you skipped to the end to throw in your two cents.

You seriously need to calm down, I think you dont know what the hell your talking about, do you think about what you type, and what elementary mistakes have I made, I mean dude five post in a row as Rivethead once told me learn how to use your edit button you don't have to post eight things in a row just because you put more post then anyone else does not make you right, you need to jump off of Matt Hughes tractor pipe man, there is no chance he could compete against Silva, the only thing he would win at is a wrestling match. Silva is far to good at everything. He is to strong has way to much reach and he would tap Hughes if he didn't Knock him out first, just get over it, Hughes is good in his weight class but no where as good as Silva. I also think Rivethead is only being a dick because certain people do not know how to except facts when there stated politely. Go Rivethead.!!!

[TN94z]

I am very calm. I don't know what the hell I am talking about.....That is yet another smartass remark. What are you guys thinking? Can you not have a conversation without trying to put someone down or question their intelligence? Do you know me? I am just taking up for myself. I am a huge Silva fan and think that he would win the fight. I am just expressing MY OPINION that Hughes has a chance. Does every fighter not have a chance in a fight? He pointed out my elementary mistake of mispelling...you had a mispelled word as well. I made that many posts in a row so it wouldn't be one long post. Give me a break. I mean how do you expect to get new members and have a good reputation if every time someone new posts THEIR OPINION, you guys bust their balls about it. I am just here trying to reply to a thread about Hughes v. Silva. I am not upset about anything but don't dish it out if you can't take it. It's all in fun and games and then you have someone come in saying calm down Francis, and hey that is mispelled, etc..that just gets the snow ball rolling. Why point out a mispelled word for any reason other than being a smartass? I mean this is a message board not an English class. You guys need to take it easy. And as far as being on Matt Hughes tractor pipe(I want start on that remark), I don't really even like Hughes, but i think he is good. I think he is a smartass with a big ego.

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