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[neonatural45]

Originally Posted by Trustym2

poor poor pride people. Only one person has done well so far and that's Rampage. People may say Nog is still there, but he looked terrible against Herring and shouldn't be fighting for the title in my opinion.

If you don't consider fighting a weight division up against the #1 ranked fighter in that division and taking 2 rounds out of 5 then I don't know whats wrong with you. To say that Henderson didn't look good is borderline retarted becuase he looked great, and Nog looked terrible? wow, it amazes me that one headkick (which he recovered from btw) can make so many people watching the fight completley forget the other 14 minutes of the fight which Nog dominated, almost like the headkick hit them too.


and as someone kindly pointed out Anderson Silva wasn't discovered fighting in no-name productions either. He was a cage rage and Pride fighter long before the UFC signed him. Besides Shogun, Cro Cop, and Sokodjou no one from PRIDE has looked worse in the UFC then they did in PRIDE. Herring looked bad against O'brien but that is because of a knee injury, he then went on to look very good against Imes then got unfairly fed to Nog. Gono looked good imo, and Aurelio, Wandy, Werdum, Nakamura, and Chonan looked EXACTLY the same as they did in PRIDE, they were just fighting better fighters.

[XitdiesXtodayX]

Both the UFC LHW and Middleweight champs were in Pride before UFC.UFCs next heavyweight champion will possibly be a former Pride fighter.Honestly is all this old news?Guys lose fights so what.In the end they are ALL UFC fighters now so this whole Pride vs UFC thing should be dead.People seem to forget all the UFC guys who went over to Pride back in the day and got their asses handed to them.People should be MMA fans not Pride,UFC,or WEC fans.

[b0sH]

I'll admit it that these results have amused me. The number of retards who've been harping on about how Pride fighters were a different league has just been misguided.

I think the gaps always have been far closer than many thought and despite these results I still think they're close. If some of these people fought each other 10 times there still may not be an outright winner.

But.....one thing has been proved. Pride only fans were doing a lot of shit talking and none of it's been backed up really other than Rampage.

[2mcgrath]

people that make these kinda posts have no respect what so ever for the fighters.to say pride guys havent had success in the ufc is bullshit,considering two of the champions in the ufc have fought in pride.bad performances have nothing to do with being from pride or where ever for that matter.a fighter isnt a good fighter because of where he fights,its the people he trains with,his work ethic,and deisire to take the fight game serious

[mulefloyd]

We should concentrate on what PRIDE did well instead of gloating over results just to piss off the nuthuggers (no matter how tempting).

I, for one, can't wait to see Wanderlei fight again.

While the athletic commissions (?) won't and shouldn't allow fighters to fight more than once a day, strikes to a downed opponent would eliminate some confusion and stalling tactics. But most importantly an overhaul of the scoring system is needed. 10 pt. must system is like the ring. Fine for boxing with so many rds and limited moves but outdated for MMA.

[rivethead]

Originally Posted by mulefloyd

We should concentrate on what PRIDE did well instead of gloating over results just to piss off the nuthuggers (no matter how tempting).

I, for one, can't wait to see Wanderlei fight again.

While the athletic commissions (?) won't and shouldn't allow fighters to fight more than once a day, strikes to a downed opponent would eliminate some confusion and stalling tactics. But most importantly an overhaul of the scoring system is needed. 10 pt. must system is like the ring. Fine for boxing with so many rds and limited moves but outdated for MMA.

two words:


Yellow Fucking Cards.

rh

[Ubermensch]

I find it funny how I am not a Pride nuthugger and I feel that the Hardcore UFC fans are trying to justify that Pride is a worse org at this point. As already stated Two of Prides fighters are Champs now. Also ther is the adjustment to the Cage and new rules which most of their opponents do not have to do. there is also the fact that they ARE fighting in the UFC with matchups that might not be best suited for them on purpose to make them look bad. And Lastly if Machida lost they could still bag on pride fighters because that is a no win situation and just silly to use it to back some hugging of an org. I have never been a fan of Org Hugging I like the fighters and that is IT.

[Steel]

People are always going to try and spin a situation to their opinion.

How can you take away the rep and accolades a Pride fighter has collected?

They are fighting new, different fighters now with new rules, new cage environment etc. I'm not trying to be a nuthugger, but whats wrong with saying that Forrest was that good against Shogun, rather than saying that Shogun sucks now? Or that Chuck was simply the better man against Wandy instead of "pride strikes out again"?

Other fighters like A Silva and Rampage are mowing everyone down yet they are now "the best of the UFC". I will admit that Crocop seems to have lost his edge and willingness to win but it has nothing to do iwth his pride background..I think it is more of a personal issue.

To always look at this situation so negatively is a disrespect to Pride, it's fighters and the spirit of MMA as a whole.

I'm going to start viewing some of these posts as another form of fighter bashing if it becomes an issue and starts offending people.

[deadstealth]

what about rampage? What about Dan Henderson? Im a huge chuck fan, but its hard to deny rampage when he has beat chuck twice, once with chucks own medicine. and how many belts does dan have? in how many weight divisions? Anderson doesnt stand a chance imo. maybe rampage does but thats pride vs pride which kind of shows who the best fighters are in that weight, even though id still love to see chuck knock out rampage 3 times in a row to avenge that record with rampage.

i think a big reason the pride fighters have not done good (crocop) is that they are used to fighting in the ring. When you put them in the cage, they have a little less room, (a small disadvantage to strikers) and there are cage tactics that the ufc fighters are used to. (using the cage to get up, using it to give the opp nowhere to go so they can land an elbow, there is no restart in the center of the ring because you are falling out) And as little as this is, the octagon is a different shape...it changes the way you cut off opponents and how fighters can circle/counter. Chuck has it down perfect, but then again chuck is a cage fighter. People can talk all this trash about the pride fighters because we're seeing the pride fighters come to ufc under rules that generally take away some of the pride fighters tools. if we were to see the ufc fighters go to pride and fight the 10 minute 1st round, ground stomp, soccer kick, north-south knees, fight in the ring, im sure some of the ufc fighters would not do as good.

When you look at some of the ufc fighters that went to pride for a fight, it seems like they dont do as good in pride as they would have in the cage. Same thing with the pride fighters comming into ufc, granted the cage had nothing to do with vanderlei getting his ass handed to him.

I would still like to see fedor in the cage. hes been undefeated for so long, and just as there are cage tactics, ive seen fedor use ring rope tactics to reposition or stop takedowns (matt lindland)

[Steel]

Originally Posted by deadstealth

what about rampage? What about Dan Henderson? Im a huge chuck fan, but its hard to deny rampage when he has beat chuck twice, once with chucks own medicine. and how many belts does dan have? in how many weight divisions? Anderson doesnt stand a chance imo. maybe rampage does but thats pride vs pride which kind of shows who the best fighters are in that weight, even though id still love to see chuck knock out rampage 3 times in a row to avenge that record with rampage.

i think a big reason the pride fighters have not done good (crocop) is that they are used to fighting in the ring. When you put them in the cage, they have a little less room, (a small disadvantage to strikers) and there are cage tactics that the ufc fighters are used to. (using the cage to get up, using it to give the opp nowhere to go so they can land an elbow, there is no restart in the center of the ring because you are falling out) And as little as this is, the octagon is a different shape...it changes the way you cut off opponents and how fighters can circle/counter. Chuck has it down perfect, but then again chuck is a cage fighter. People can talk all this trash about the pride fighters because we're seeing the pride fighters come to ufc under rules that generally take away some of the pride fighters tools. if we were to see the ufc fighters go to pride and fight the 10 minute 1st round, ground stomp, soccer kick, north-south knees, fight in the ring, im sure some of the ufc fighters would not do as good.

When you look at some of the ufc fighters that went to pride for a fight, it seems like they dont do as good in pride as they would have in the cage. Same thing with the pride fighters comming into ufc, granted the cage had nothing to do with vanderlei getting his ass handed to him.

I would still like to see fedor in the cage. hes been undefeated for so long, and just as there are cage tactics, ive seen fedor use ring rope tactics to reposition or stop takedowns (matt lindland)

Thank you. A rational opinion on the subject and a FIRST post from a new member. I appreciate your comments and hope to see more from you.

This post is what people want to see rather than "Pride sux ...UFC Rulz" or vice versa. LOL