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[ninjastix]

Originally Posted by harlemhustla145

The that said this is not Ballet is right. Shit talking, thugs, assholes, are all apart of the sport. IMO most people wouldn't want to watch it if everybody was always respectful and nice to each other.

A fighter needs a certain amount of distain for other fighters to even get into this sport. They need a killer instint to to go in there and give it their all.

Point is, you need someone you love to hate to make it interesting and it sells tickets.

Couldn't disagree more with every single point you're making...

I don't need shit talking or hype to enjoy a fight, never have... I became a ufc fan by blindly looking up older mma fights on the internet with having no idea who was who or what had been said prior... the fact that they could shake hands or embrace one another after a fight was a big part of making me a fan (Randleman vs Fedor comes to mind).

Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not naive enough to think that hatred and stupidity doesn't sell fights, it does... and has in boxing for a long time and will continue to do so...

But this fan can do without it... and I don't see it as a necessary evil either... some fighters just handle their business and keep it professional... it's not a matter of hating the guy or not...

Those usually happen to be the best fighters in their divisions coincidentally...

[error2k5]

Originally Posted by kickass32

Although, Guillard didn't flip off Joe before their fight, and there wasn't the amount of hated trash talk before the fight either.
I thought the crotch chop was funny as well as the wave good bye....but continuing it during the interview was uncalled for.

I ended up missing the clementi/guillard fight, i've seen it since then but it starts before the staredown and ends at the crotch chop. Your saying guillard flipped rich off before the fight? If so I guess the chop was a little bit more justified. I still dislike both their actions though.

[kickass32]

Originally Posted by error2k5

I ended up missing the clementi/guillard fight, i've seen it since then but it starts before the staredown and ends at the crotch chop. Your saying guillard flipped rich off before the fight? If so I guess the chop was a little bit more justified. I still dislike both their actions though.

Yeah, as soon as he got into the Octagon he walked to the center and gave Clementi the double bird....Clementi started to pull at his shorts near his crotch, as if to say, oh yeah, suck this.

[rivethead]

Originally Posted by mmafanatic087

Some of you guys take it too seriously this is fighting not ballet they disliked each other and they showed it who cares.

Actually, people who hate MMA and want to restrict licensing and venue approval care quite a lot, and will use any little drama they can rake up to fight the spread of the sport into a more legitimate place in society.

Originally Posted by harlemhustla145

The that said this is not Ballet is right. Shit talking, thugs, assholes, are all apart of the sport. IMO most people wouldn't want to watch it if everybody was always respectful and nice to each other.

A fighter needs a certain amount of distain for other fighters to even get into this sport. They need a killer instint to to go in there and give it their all.

No. Hendo and Rampage are friends, and they sold tickets. If you don't have talent, you need drama...but if you are a professional, you should have the talent, or work towards getting it.

Originally Posted by harlemhustla145

Point is, you need someone you love to hate to make it interesting and it sells tickets.

Point is, bullshit melodrama like that gets MMA compared to human cockfighting in the mainstream media, and is used as support when some idiot wants to outlaw it in Australia, or compare it to the NFL for some stupid reason.

I don't care about trash talking, I pretty much ignore it. But the point is, this got to a point where Melvin needed to be restrained after the decision. Granted, Melvin obviously has a head full of snakes, but Clementi could have laughed it off and said "learn some JJ Melvin" without all the repressed homoerotic posturing, and nonsense probably wouldn't have gotten to the lame "teen-kegger-soap-opera-dude-hold-me-back" level that it did. Or if it did, Melvin would have obviously been beyond the norm. As it stands, you have two stupid [and C-level, at best] fighters behaving unprofessionally in a huge PPV...somewhere neither of them deserve to be again.

If I liked melodrama, I'd watch reality television or that desperate housewives shit my wife watches. But I want to be able to see a variety of fights from a variety of venues, and I hope for professional behavior from the professional fighters.

rh

[Noise Chopped]

I don't have problem with shit talkers.

But Melvin can't back it up. Ever. And Rich isn't some hot shot either - They're both fuckin' weark, in my opinion. If you're going to talk shit, fine. Do it. Hype it up, sell yourself, self promote (even though, I must admit, the shit talking era has gotten old. It's ALWAYS about selling tickets, and I just don't think people buy it anymore) - BUT BACK IT UP.

Bye bye Melvin.

..."Melvin Maniacs," IFL, hahah.

[Hellbilly]

i cant think that they would make this fight to sell tickets. I agree that after the crotch chop and wave bye bye he should have just left it at that. but its funny how a middle of the road fighter can look godly against melvin when they get to the ground.

[leelandk]

Originally Posted by harlemhustla145

The that said this is not Ballet is right. Shit talking, thugs, assholes, are all apart of the sport. IMO most people wouldn't want to watch it if everybody was always respectful and nice to each other.

A fighter needs a certain amount of distain for other fighters to even get into this sport. They need a killer instint to to go in there and give it their all.

Point is, you need someone you love to hate to make it interesting and it sells tickets.

I agree to some degree. But there comes a point where you have to perform to back up the shit you talk. Like with Melvin, its to the point where he's got to stop talking shit because he makes himself look stupid when he loses.

[Hellbilly]

he makes himself look stupid just sittin there.

[lottie-12]

Originally Posted by ninjastix

I don't condone what either one did but I'm not going to pretend I didn't enjoy what Rich said or did...

agreed.

What melvin did...
Melvin tapping out
The crotch chop

[Righthook]

Originally Posted by baba

Yes. He's a thug. he loses and then goes after him when his back is turned. Typical street trash. Hope to never see him again outside of the police blotter.

I agree trash trash trash. I would be so unhappy if the ufc brought him back