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[surfrock66]

If this has been brought up before, feel free to delete.

After the CB Amir fight, CB clearly felt it wasn't over, and Amir stood up and acted as if he was willing to keep going. I also think back to the Vera/Werdum fight, and how that was an early stoppage.

As they're meeting to discuss changes to the rules, if both fighters agree that something is an early stoppage, what would people think about a procedure to reverse an early stoppage and restart the fight? It could get complicated, and may require consent of both fighters, both corners, judges and docs, and maybe if one person does something stupid (like CB's tap) they lose a point, but I'd rather deal with some confusion for a minute and have a definitive winner than leave feeling unfinished.

Thoughts?

[Clint]

I could see where it would be really nice at times but actually instituting it seems like it would be damn near impossible.

[Steel]

Removing the ability to rule from officials would lead to bad things IMHO.

[SickNasty]

That is a good point. Although, would there be many fighters that would risk a win to keep fighting?

[2mcgrath]

nah i would leave it like it is.its not early stoppage if you tap like cb did.he clearly tapped and the fight was stopped as it should be.guys could tap and say oh no it was a mistake i didnt mean to and have a point deducted by your rule,and get out of a bad position.and have the fight restarted.you would have guys try and manipulate that. if you changed it around like that

[rivethead]

I think the refs need to have the power they currently have, to end a fight, to deduct points, to do whatever. But I don't think it should change.

I think refs need to go to school a bit and get trained on consistency, but other than that, I'd focus any restructuring in the 10-point must system and the training of judges.



With a restart, you run the risk of a fighter jumping back into the fight because they don't want to look like a punk, even if they're hurt. It already happens with illegal blows...which is the closest I can come with an analogy because the restart option isn't in effect anywhere else.

After an illegal blow, many fighters start again before they're really ready, and are taking great risks: read the interview with Leites after the Marquardt fight for an example. A host of others restart too quickly because they don't want to look weak.

It would also leave fighters who want to keep the win looking like punks, ala Alessio's views on Brock Larson when Larson couldn't continue after eating an illegal knee to a downed opponent. I'd rather have the fight stopped and if there is enough controversy, there can always be a rematch.



I disagree with a lot of ref/judges decisions [like, how the fuck did Grove get a 10-8 round?] but I respect their training, and the fact that they're human and can make mistakes.

But like H.D. Thoreau, I believe less governement is good government, and I think that applies to MMA with less rules being better than more rules.

rh

[SickNasty]

Another idea, which is probably not realistic, is to have an immediate rematch on the spot. Like after the Houston Alexander v James Irvin. They both seemed willing to go again. They could have kept the KO in the books and started another fight on the spot. But I guess that does conflict with contracts with number of fights and purses and stuff.

[Ubermensch]

CB and Vera Lost... Thats an easy solution getting pummeled and not defending=loss Tapping (even on accident) = Loss. Don't get your self in thoes situation and you will not lose. Pretty easy to me.

[Killinginthenameof]

CB tapped and whined about it and we all saw he was lying out his teeth. just like in the NFL when the receiver says he caught the ball and he tries to convince the ref. it's all a bunch-o-shit.....lying should be a penalty in the NFL.

reversing the initial decision would make things too hectic....if it became part of the rules you would have instant manipulation. for example, CB's caught in an armbar, he doesn't want his arm to snap in half....guess what, he does a fake tap and Mazagatti seperates them. CB complains that it wasn't a tap. CB now has feeling back in his arm and Mazagatti allows the fight to continue......and we're all hoping CB doesn't win cuz he appears that he just fucked the system! if in place, this rule would get manipulated.

[fedor]

I don't think that is a good idea. I agree with some of the previous posts that say it will bring more harm to the fighters. One guy gets rocked, ref stops it, dude gets up and says he is fine, everyone agrees and they re-start the fight. Then he gets really hurt because he was rocked to begin with and then......it is just bad.