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11-09-2008, 12:52 PM
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| Does anyone actually see Mir winning?
I see a lot of posts on this board which have people picking Mir, but I honestly can't see that happening. Post accident Mir is 3-2.
Wins: - Dan Christison: Currently lost last 3 fights
- Antoni Hardonk: Lost to Justin McCully
- Brock Lesnar: First fight in UFC, and without ref stoppage is debatable
He has lost to Vera and Cruz, Vera who has been shown for not being a contender (maybe because of contract issues, but whatever), and Cruz who hasn't beat anyone of note.
Nog on the other hand is a legend, and his resume is much more impressive. How in the world would Mir pull this off? He is going to out Jiu-jitsu him? I mean these guys are not even close to comparable in terms of level of competition they have faced, and achievement.
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11-09-2008, 12:58 PM
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i think in this day of the sport, if you guarantee a victory, your stupid. over and over again we are proven that odds and top 10 rankings are useless. you can't count anyone out of any fight anymore.did anyone actually see rashad KOing chuck,or uriah getin beat down that fast. don't count your chickens is what i say  imnot saying mir is gonna win,but don't count him out before the fight has even started
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11-09-2008, 04:26 PM
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Anyone who is still debating the standup/warning of lesnar/Mir doens't know what they're talking about.
Oh, and I don't see where Mir has any solid ways to win. Nog is a better striker, better chin and has much better ground game. It's MMA, so anything can happen, but it would be improbable to say the least.
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11-09-2008, 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by rivethead Anyone who is still debating the standup/warning of lesnar/Mir doens't know what they're talking about.
Oh, and I don't see where Mir has any solid ways to win. Nog is a better striker, better chin and has much better ground game. It's MMA, so anything can happen, but it would be improbable to say the least.
rh | i agree i dont see mir winning this one at all,he is outclassed in all aspects of the game by nog
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11-10-2008, 05:49 AM
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I know Nog has the advantage in every aspect, however I think many people underestimate Mir's ground game, even in comparison to Nog's ground game. Nog may be one of the best in the biz in BJJ, perhaps even the best HW at it, however Mir is no slouch. Mir is one of the top as well. The ground is the only place Mir has any chance............I hope he pulls it off.
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11-10-2008, 10:47 AM
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I never say never, but it looks bleak for Mir.
Way I see it, Big Nog has never been finished in his entire career and has a jaw of granite, so a lucky punch seems sorta unlikely, but it could happen, though not likely since Mir's not a fabulous striker.
Mir could pull out a submission since he's truly accomplished at them, but again, Nog has outlasted the best submission fighters on the planet, like Barnett, and has withstood the gravest of their attempts.
I don't see Mir winning a decision over Nog since his cardio to go FIVE rounds at full tempo is almost laughable and Nog is a freak at lasting and taking a beating over time.
As it's been said above, Mir's outclassed in every single way, although sometimes it seems like when guys have nothing to lose they throw their caution to the wind and go for broke.
I think that Mir's only real recourse for victory against Nog is to try and devistate Nog with a quick flurry and hope to TKO him, akin to Wandy/Jardine, but again, those aren't Mir's strengths.
His gameplan could revolve around legkicks and maybe box Nog, keep his distance and try and find his spot, put Nog out of his "riddum" but Nog is so advanced at his standup and doesn't really depend on winning via strikes, so the moment Mir attempted to fist it out, Nog'll probably shoot him down.
In a way, I feel bad for Werdum losing to dos Santos, because I believe he has a far superior shot at Nog than Mir.
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11-10-2008, 10:56 AM
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Im going for Mir, but agree that he is outclassed in every aspect. BUT, I think Mir will be a new fighter coming into this fight, I think his endurance and stamina will be greatly improved, because on the ultimate fighter I think it was episode 7 or 8 where he was saying how hes underestimated conditioning and how important it is until now. I also think that Nog underestimates Mir, and therefore will undertrain. I just hope that Mir Knocks Nog out and shocks the world, although the chances are like maybe at 2%.
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11-10-2008, 01:55 PM
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Mir has to fight a masterful fight just to earn a split decision, IMO. But he can if he has the right game plan.
1. He must be elusive when standing and pound him with leg kicks.
2. Control NOG with the clinch and use it a lot. He has to go to the body and do some damage.
3. I he can do 1 & 2 for the two of the first three rounds he could score some late take downs and take a decision, IMO.
But I don't think he'll be able to do it.
NOG by unanimous decision.
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11-10-2008, 03:20 PM
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Mir is the underdog for a reason.
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