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I noticed this a few days ago as well. I guess I would be a hypocrite to say it was OK for Randy but not Brock. Something else I noticed that gave me a new respect for Randy (I don't really care for him so much) was that 16 of his 25 fights have been title bouts.

[tosherky]

Originally Posted by Y2JUBAE

I think he will to be honest. Out of the 4 fighters in this HW tourney, Nog is the one fighter I would bet on against the other 3 in any one on one match. I think Nog would submit, Randy, Brock and Mir. The Tournament, is just a formality IMO.

Brock however, is the only one of the other 3 that I think has a chance of beating Nog. Looking back at Heath vs. Nog, that shot Nog took from him, when it could have been over if Heath capitalized, a shot like that from Brock to Nog, and it is OVER. Brock has that taste for blood, that killer instinct. He won't be missing any opportunities to finish a fight.
Over all, my vote is Nog, but Brock comes in a close second. I can't see Mir beating Nog. They are both great at JJ, but Nog is superior in striking and seems not to be bothered by pain. Randy vs. Nog would have been interesting, but, I think Nog would have submitted him also. Nog's long limbs wrapped around anyone is some serious trouble for them.

My thoughts exactly.

[Sakara=Excitement]

Originally Posted by Y2JUBAE

Here are the "Smacktrack" statistics from Inside MMA for the Lesnar/Couture fight. I didn't see them posted anywhere and it didn't fit in with the purpose of the tidbit I wrote above, but, thought it might interest someone out there.

.................................................. .Brock.............Randy
Strikes Landed:........................... 45 .................12

Strikes Attempted:...................... 86 ..................22

Ground Strikes Attempted: ........... 46 ...................6

Ground Strikes Landed: ................27 ...................4

Takedowns: ...................................1 .....................0

I guess this is for the people who say Randy won the first round.

Originally Posted by Dr. MMA

The reason there was a lot of bitching about Brock getting a title shot is because someone was clearly ahead of him - Werdum. .

Heading in to UFC 90, Werdum was 2-1. Brock was 1-1 yet Werdum was CLEARLY ahead of him? And the Vera win was questionable on top of that. So it's not like Werdum was on a 8 fight win streak or something along those lines. Let's take a look at the Heavyweight divison heading into UFC 91 examining the fighters last 4 fights....... (Frank Mir and Nog are omitted)


Fabricio Werdum (2-2) *last fight was a loss
*Two very lackluster performances in the KO loss to dos Santos and AA with the Vera stoppage seeming premature

Gabriel Gonzaga (2-2)
*Beat Cro Cop and couldn't capitalize on the success. He was TKO'd two fights in a row.

Justin McCully (1-1) *in the UFC
*SUb'd by Gonzaga his last fight

Antoni Hardonk (2-2) *2-0 last 2 fights
*Back to back losses followed up by two stellar wins

Eddie Sanchez (2-2) *last fight was a loss
* Big time slugger with so so cardio. Stopped by Cro Cop and lost his last fight

Heath Herring (2-2) *last fight was a loss
*Lost his last fight to the #1 contender Brock

Cheick Kongo (3-1)
*Lost a split decision to the Crazy Horse but has looked good in his 3 wins with one coming over Cro Cop

Christian Wellisch (2-2) *last fight was a loss
*Lost his last fight against Kongo, looked good in his 2 sub victories

Shane Carwin (2-0) *only 2 fights in the UFC
*Both wins coming by abusing his opponents

So who is CLEARLY ahead of Brock? The case could be made for Kongo, Carwin, and possibly Hardonk with all fighters going 2-0 their last 2 fights.

[Robthom]

Brock rules everything around me, cream get da money, dolla dolla bill yall.

[Palma]

Originally Posted by Sakara=Excitement

Heading in to UFC 90, Werdum was 2-1. Brock was 1-1 yet Werdum was CLEARLY ahead of him? And the Vera win was questionable on top of that. So it's not like Werdum was on a 8 fight win streak or something along those lines. Let's take a look at the Heavyweight divison heading into UFC 91 examining the fighters last 4 fights....... (Frank Mir and Nog are omitted)


Fabricio Werdum (2-2) *last fight was a loss
*Two very lackluster performances in the KO loss to dos Santos and AA with the Vera stoppage seeming premature

Gabriel Gonzaga (2-2)
*Beat Cro Cop and couldn't capitalize on the success. He was TKO'd two fights in a row.

Justin McCully (1-1) *in the UFC
*SUb'd by Gonzaga his last fight

Antoni Hardonk (2-2) *2-0 last 2 fights
*Back to back losses followed up by two stellar wins

Eddie Sanchez (2-2) *last fight was a loss
* Big time slugger with so so cardio. Stopped by Cro Cop and lost his last fight

Heath Herring (2-2) *last fight was a loss
*Lost his last fight to the #1 contender Brock

Cheick Kongo (3-1)
*Lost a split decision to the Crazy Horse but has looked good in his 3 wins with one coming over Cro Cop

Christian Wellisch (2-2) *last fight was a loss
*Lost his last fight against Kongo, looked good in his 2 sub victories

Shane Carwin (2-0) *only 2 fights in the UFC
*Both wins coming by abusing his opponents

So who is CLEARLY ahead of Brock? The case could be made for Kongo, Carwin, and possibly Hardonk with all fighters going 2-0 their last 2 fights.

Everyone was ahead of Brock... don't kid your self by pretending that only the UFC wins and losses play a factor in contention...

Brock got this title shots for 2 reason: 1. there was no one else for Randy to fight on that much notice for what ever reasons, and 2. because Brock is a celebrity.

Every fighter with at least 1 loss and 1 win was in the same boat when it came to contention.

[Sakara=Excitement]

Originally Posted by Palma

Everyone was ahead of Brock... don't kid your self by pretending that only the UFC wins and losses play a factor in contention...

Brock got this title shots for 2 reason: 1. there was no one else for Randy to fight on that much notice for what ever reasons, and 2. because Brock is a celebrity.

Every fighter with at least 1 loss and 1 win was in the same boat when it came to contention.

Umm call me crazy but I DO think that UFC wins and losses should only play a factor. But to say Werdum was CLEARLY ahead of Brock wasn't the case and I just showed why. I'm not arguing that Brock was the clear cut #1 contender, but to say that Werdum was CLEARLY ahead of him is crap.

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And if you would of read any of my post, I said that at least 3 fighters were ahead of Brock.

[Palma]

Originally Posted by Sakara=Excitement

Umm call me crazy but I DO think that UFC wins and losses should only play a factor. But to say Werdum was CLEARLY ahead of Brock wasn't the case and I just showed why. I'm not arguing that Brock was the clear cut #1 contender, but to say that Werdum was CLEARLY ahead of him is crap.

*edit*
And if you would of read any of my post, I said that at least 3 fighters were ahead of Brock.

You just showed why based on only using UFC records, in which case Werdum is still more derserving... and by your logic and fighter with at least 1 win and 1 loss in the UFC is still just as deserving as Brock.

2 wins and 1 loss is clearly better then 1 win and 1 loss... how is that crap?

and if you read my post you can see that many fighters were ahead of Brock... I'm just using your own logic consistently accross the division.

and how is a fighter's record only relevant if they are UFC fights? Hendo vs. Rampage, Hendo vs. Silva, Rampage and Silva getting title shots after one win in the UFC... none of that was deserving?

[Sakara=Excitement]

Originally Posted by Palma

You just showed why based on only using UFC records, in which case Werdum is still more derserving... and by your logic and fighter with at least 1 win and 1 loss in the UFC is still just as deserving as Brock.

2 wins and 1 loss is clearly better then 1 win and 1 loss... how is that crap?

and if you read my post you can see that many fighters were ahead of Brock... I'm just using your own logic consistently accross the division.

and how is a fighter's record only relevant if they are UFC fights? Hendo vs. Rampage, Hendo vs. Silva, Rampage and Silva getting title shots after one win in the UFC... none of that was deserving?

You're missing the ENITRE point aren't you? Try and follow me. I never said that there was anything wrong with Brock being 1-1 and I never said that there weren't other fighters MORE deserving. When a poster says that Werdum was CLEARLY ahead of him, he makes it sound like he has a Jon Fitch type record. By pointing out everyone's records, I showed that it could of been ANYONE'S ball game. Geez buddy.

[Palma]

Originally Posted by Sakara=Excitement

You're missing the ENITRE point aren't you? Try and follow me. I never said that there was anything wrong with Brock being 1-1 and I never said that there weren't other fighters MORE deserving. When a poster says that Werdum was CLEARLY ahead of him, he makes it sound like he has a Jon Fitch type record. By pointing out everyone's records, I showed that it could of been ANYONE'S ball game. Geez buddy.

No, I get it... but you do realize that 2 is clearly more then 1 don't you?

[Sakara=Excitement]

Originally Posted by Palma

No, I get it... but you do realize that 2 is clearly more then 1 don't you?

Yes I do and that's my point exactly. So while you spend your time trying to argue over moot points, try and realize what i'm trying to say. Saying Werdum was ahead of Brock is one thing, but to say he was CLEARLY ahead of him or anyone else isn't right.