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[mmafan111]

If we are all being honest(me included), we did not think Brock Lesnar would stand a chace in the UFC

We all saw him fight in Japan, beat a nobody, but nobody really thought that Brock was UFC Heavyweight Champion material.

I mean, he is a former WWE fighter, they guys don't really fight, so how could he be a champ.

Lets have a look at what we know:

Lensar is a 2 time NCAA college wrestling champion with a record of 106-5(jesues, he must have been pretty good).

He was WWE champion/World Champion in 2 years of being with the org, a great achievement in itself, especially with the politics that exist in WWE.
He almost made the cut for the Minnesota Vikings in his 1st attempt.

He then fought in Japan, wrestling for New Japan Pro Wrestling, winning the IWGP Heavyweight Championship.

He then gave up wrestling and dedicated himself to MMA

He fought Min Soo Kim and brutalised him.

He then fought Frank Mir, he lost but he done ok.

He annailated Heath Herring in a 3 round beating.

He fought Randy and personally i thought he gave Randy too much respect, Randy is a great fighter and he did well but Brock is a beast, he can be a Champ for years.

I personally think Nog will beat Brock but give it a year or 2 and he will be the number 1 heavyweight.

Anyway, the point of this post was, why hate a guy that puts so much into what he does?

He has been the best at college NCAA wrestling, WWE champion, almost made the Gridiron cut, NJPW Champ & then the UFC Heavyweight Champion.

Tell me another athlete who has achieved or tried so much, hate him or love him, Brock Lesnar is the most exciting Heavyweight in MMA just now!

[Dr. MMA]

First of all, I don't think this deserved a new thread. This type of stuff has been posted for a few months in several threads.

Also, I understand you're trying to make a point but don't bring up his professional wrestling career to make a point in MMA. It's a whole different animal. David Arquette was a world champion at one point, so was Vince McMahon and Yuji Nagata was a 2x IWGP champion. Professional wrestling will bias people who can sell tickets to the crowd instead of just legit skills.

His amateur wrestling career is the reason why people gave Brock a good shot at MMA and nothing to do with his professional wrestling. The only reason professional wrestling mattered is because thats where his popularity rose.

[mmafan111]

Originally Posted by Dr. MMA

First of all, I don't think this deserved a new thread. This type of stuff has been posted for a few months in several threads.

Also, I understand you're trying to make a point but don't bring up his professional wrestling career to make a point in MMA. It's a whole different animal. David Arquette was a world champion at one point, so was Vince McMahon and Yuji Nagata was a 2x IWGP champion. Professional wrestling will bias people who can sell tickets to the crowd instead of just legit skills.

His amateur wrestling career is the reason why people gave Brock a good shot at MMA and nothing to do with his professional wrestling. The only reason professional wrestling mattered is because thats where his popularity rose.

ok, i understand your point but i think you misunderstood me

My main point was that Brock is pretty good at everything he does, he sets his mind to something and seems to do very well at that.

It doesn't matter that he fake wrestled to a title, it was the fact he made champion in 2 years, others have spent lifetimes trying to achieve what he has done.

[atj-lucko]

Always knew this guy was a freak since his WWE days, he wasn't just your typical WWE hype, he had a great amateur wrestling career and the fastest big man I ever saw in wrestling.
When I heard he was going into MMA I was a little doubtful how good he would be.

Then he lost to Mir which showed us all the big flaw BJJ defense, as long as he keeps working on that he should do fine. Also we still don't know how good his chin is.

His boxing is quite awful, but when your that big and strong all you need to do land a punch anywhere on the face and its gonna hurt, imagine when he learns throw a better punch.

[mmafan111]

thanks atj, i feel you are partially on my wavelength, he is a beast and dealing with him is hardcore, he has excelled at most things and has done more with his life than anybody i can think off and done really well at everything

BTW, i am gassed, a couple of bottles of red

[terriblet]

Brock will do just fine as long as he stays clear of submission fighters which will pretty
much be impossible considering he's supposed to fight the winner of Nogueira/Mir. . . .

[Ahura]

nog will submit him, he doesnt have the experience yet, he might last a few rounds, depending on how quick it goes to the ground, but i think eventually he will be submitted, or worn down then battered, but should he win this, itll do a world of good for his confidence, not that hes short of that, and i think he will be a dominant champ for sometime to come, at least in the UFC anyways. I wont mention other names, its been done over and over

[Repenter]

i'm sure nog will beat him. however, if brock puts on a great showing and brutalizes nog for a great while (which is sure to happen) then both their stocks will rise dramatically.

and isn't it great how nobody at all considers mir over nog?

[The Joker]

Originally Posted by mmafan111

If we are all being honest(me included), we did not think Brock Lesnar would stand a chace in the UFC

We all saw him fight in Japan, beat a nobody, but nobody really thought that Brock was UFC Heavyweight Champion material.

I mean, he is a former WWE fighter, they guys don't really fight, so how could he be a champ.

I'm relatively new to this forum, as a participant (long time listener, first time caller type deal), so first off I want to give a little shout-out and say what's up to everybody.
Now that the greeting is out of the way I want to say I never doubted Brock. The only thing that was in question was his submission game, which tends to be everyone with a wrestling background's first weakness when transitioning, and it got exposed in his first UFC fight. To be blunt, there was no way Mir was going to win that fight except via submission (same can be said for Heath Herring). I made a prediction regarding the Mir fight; either Brock destroys Mir (he was pummeling Mir, would have hurt him worse had the fight not been stopped for that split second), or Brock makes a mistake and gets submitted (which he also did).

The majority of people underestimated Brock simply because there is a misconception that if you cross train you are unbeatable. They also foolishly used his background in the WWE as some sort of "evidence" as to why he was going to lose. The thing is, everybody in the fight game has his/her skillset. Some people use reach (liddell, anderson silva, tim sylvia), other's use Ground and Pound (Kevin Randleman, Mark Coleman, Fedor), other's are just gifted and do it all (BJ, Georges, but especially Fedor, who is ages ahead of any mixed martial artist). The point is, Brock has above average strength, and he's very fast for a man his size. He hits like a tank, he's bound to do some damage to anybody on the other end of his fists (unless he gets subbed or KO'd by someone with hands equally as powerful). The point is, don't ever underestimate or overestimate anybody, simply because they did this or that, everyone is a threat.
With that said, I'm finished with my drunken ramblings. I think Brock will be subbed by Minotauro, but only if Brock doesn't KO him first. I hope Minotauro wins, he is a great fighter and a decent human being.

p.s. I hope that I have not offended you or anyone with my post, as that was not the intention. I was merely sharing my thoughts on your statement. Have a good weekend everyone.

[kamikaze145]

I admit it. I did not think someone with as little experience as him would do well in at the highest level of mma. I still think his bjj is awful but he is a load to deal with at HW and is not going anywhere for a long time. The scary thing is as good as he is now, he has not even tapped his potential from a technical perspective. I did pick him to beat Herring because Herring is awful IMO but I thought he would lose to Randy and Mir for sure.