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02-04-2009, 08:11 PM
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| MW title shot given to Leites over Okami....WASSUPWITDAT???
I was thinking the other day about how relatively dominant Yushin Okami has been since his debut in the UFC, his only loss is to Ace and other than that, he's looked rather stunning. It kinda pisses me off because(now consider that I'm a Nate the Great fan) Leites has been given the title shot this April in my home and native land, when I honest to christ, don't think he's earned it, nor do I think he has a relative chance in heaven.
I know MMA math is goofy, nonsensical and silly, but compare a very VERY questionable SD over Nate, wins over Jensen, Sell and Massacre, whereas Okami has dominated against J-Mac, Tanner, Starnes, Swick, Belcher, Singer and most recently Dean Lister.
This doesn't make common sense to me because Okami's only loss was to Franklin, whereas Leites got it handed to him by Kampmann who's no longer in the division.
You also have that controversial Rumble at the Rock DQ, which probably harbours a lil' bit of a feud between the two. This would be an interesting bout.
This isn't a Roast or anything, but I'm not saying Leites is a can for Anderson Silva, but compared to Okami, he's a can to Silva.
I enjoy Leites' fights, but honestly, look at how long it's taken Alves, Florian, Machida to challenge for a title and Leites is in a MW title fight ahead of Okami???
I'm not an Okami fan or anything, but this doesn't make logical sense to me. I love Maia, Palhares, Hendo, Marquardt and honestly, I think all four PLUS Okami are seriously harsher challenges to THE SPIDER.
If anyone can honestly explain to me why Leites deserves a title shot prior to Okami, let me know, because this just seems very nonsensical.
Jardine is a very solid fighter, but his fight with Rampage doesn't make much sense, but this bout of Leites/Silva makes less sense, considering how untouchable Silva has been in recent YEARS.
I'm getting madder and ranting harsher as I think more and more about this, but P4P and GOAT and all that stuff regarding Fedor, GSP and Anderson, and Anderson Silva will have fought Cote, Irvin and Leites??? FRICK! Does GSP get to fight a broomhandle?
I don't see this a Bisping-esque, where Dana may be accused of protecting Anderson, because I think he's pretty flawless, but this bout just feels pointless. I'd love to see Okami/Silva because of their history alongside their combined talents and amoung otherthings, would love to see Anderson challenged by a difficult foe prior to a HOPEFULLY eventual rematch with Hendo.
I dunno, I feel like I'm a Let the Right One In, in a Twilight world. FUCK!
Sorry for the rant. Rep, flame, whatever, but end of day, this fight has really made me scratch my head. Thoughts?
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02-04-2009, 08:23 PM
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only explanation is okami is known as a semi boring fighter and dana is a business man.
leites has been exciting especially the fight with marqduart.
its the same reason lyoto, fitch etc etc all have to wait.
if there is a better business opporunity in another fight dana will take it.
in this case though i beleive dana thinks okami hasnt been exciting enough so he's making him wait.
even tho if you think about it, they could market okami as the last man to beat anderson silva. with leites im not sure what they plan to market, hes relatively unknown to casual fans where as okami has fought swick and franklin who are popular.
i think its cause hes somewhat boring or another explanation is dana might think hes a legit threat to dethrone silva so he keeps giving him fights hoping he will lose.
only way u will ever know for sure is if u ask dana
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02-04-2009, 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by leedogg900 only explanation is okami is known as a semi boring fighter and dana is a business man. | Your being generous Okami is boring as hell also he doesn't speak English and Japaneses have never really been pushed in the UFC. how many Japaneses fighters have ever been on tuf?
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02-04-2009, 08:45 PM
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this fight was made prior to ufc 92 where okami fought lister. i'm almost fed up explaining why thales is fighting anderson. who the hell else is there for him to fight? nobody complained when cote was awarded a shot and even though it wasnt silva's greatest performance, who honestly expected cote to pose a real threat to silva's title? who honestly thinks thales is going to beat anderson in april? i wouldnt bet my house on leites, but anything can happen so it's not like anderson is fighting a mop. aside from okami, marquardt, bisping, and hendo, thales is the top contender. okami was booked when this match was made, bisping and hendo are both tied up w/ tuf, and like hendo, marquardt (who is also currently booked btw) has already been defeated by anderson. personally, i rather see a new challenger face the champ as opposed to a rematch so this match makes perfect since. matt serra will always be proof that anything can happen in mma.
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02-04-2009, 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by atj-lucko Your being generous Okami is boring as hell also he doesn't speak English and Japaneses have never really been pushed in the UFC. how many Japaneses fighters have ever been on tuf? | i dont know if his language/race barrier has anything to do with it, i hope not because that would be low.
well they hold tryouts for tuf in the states i think, so its pretty unlikely some japanese fighter is gonna fly all the way over just to tryout. Quote:
Originally Posted by carbondioxide830 this fight was made prior to ufc 92 where okami fought lister. i'm almost fed up explaining why thales is fighting anderson. who the hell else is there for him to fight? nobody complained when cote was awarded a shot and even though it wasnt silva's greatest performance, who honestly expected cote to pose a real threat to silva's title? who honestly thinks thales is going to beat anderson in april? i wouldnt bet my house on leites, but anything can happen so it's not like anderson is fighting a mop. aside from okami, marquardt, bisping, and hendo, thales is the top contender. okami was booked when this match was made, bisping and hendo are both tied up w/ tuf, and like hendo, marquardt (who is also currently booked btw) has already been defeated by anderson. personally, i rather see a new challenger face the champ as opposed to a rematch so this match makes perfect since. matt serra will always be proof that anything can happen in mma. | okami is only tied up because hes not getting the title shot though.
but your right, its still a good fight at 185 for sure. and thales has a big advantage in the ground game which makes this fight more interesting. he's also very tough.
i have no problem with thales getting a shot personally.
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02-04-2009, 09:03 PM
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Wasn't Okami originally booked to face Anderson at UFC 90???
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02-04-2009, 09:13 PM
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Funny how Japanese fans like any fighter regardless. Even funnier how Americans can be such hypocrites and not look at themselves alot of times. I would say it's racism from the UFC but Machida is another good example of a great but un "meathead" figher. Wait a minute he's half Japanese.... Quote:
Originally Posted by atj-lucko Your being generous Okami is boring as hell also he doesn't speak English and Japaneses have never really been pushed in the UFC. how many Japaneses fighters have ever been on tuf? |
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02-04-2009, 09:24 PM
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Watch Silva's fight with Lutter again. Everyone who plays his game gets a beat-down (you hear me Rich). Okami will too. Dana protecting Silva? Styles make great fights and this should be a good one.
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02-04-2009, 09:33 PM
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Okami was/is the number one contender and then he broke his hand training. Why he's not right now is a great question but he should get the next shot at Spider.
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02-04-2009, 09:50 PM
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To make a claim, Leities vs. Silva is much more of a marketable fight other than the Okami/Silva fight. I couldn't see Okami vs. Silva headling a event. Yes, they have where Okami beat Silva, but thats about it.
Hopefully they are saving towards a Cote vs. Okami fight. That would be a fun fight.
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