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[snakerattle79]

The reason why people think Dana White is some great businessman is because they are fanboys/shills. The guy was lucky to have billionaire buddies, one of which had connections with the Nevada State Athletic Commission. He blows over $30 million dollars in his first few years. Then Lorenzo pushes the idea of a reality show which is pretty much the same as the WWE show Tough Enough, when infact we all know Dana totally disagreed with that concept. But Then the reality show becomes a success. Dana White can't be given credit for that.

[King Fisher]

Originally Posted by snakerattle79

The reason why people think Dana White is some great businessman is because they are fanboys/shills. The guy was lucky to have billionaire buddies, one of which had connections with the Nevada State Athletic Commission. He blows over $30 million dollars in his first few years. Then Lorenzo pushes the idea of a reality show which is pretty much the same as the WWE show Tough Enough, when infact we all know Dana totally disagreed with that concept. But Then the reality show becomes a success. Dana White can't be given credit for that.

ummm.... I'm gunna go ahead and disagree with this.

Dana White is a good business man, don't know about great, but very business savvy...

MMA and more exclusively the UFC have experienced this growth boom because of the mainstream exposure that people like Dana White, and to a lesser degree, Tom Attencio have given it.

The TUF show is a by-product of the UFC becoming more mainstream, and I agree with you that it had a large hand in helping grow what is MMA today, I don't understand how you discredit Dana White because apparently, the WWE (which has been around for a lot longer) did it first.

Great business ideas stem from taking something somebody already invented, and make it better...

[beau420]

Originally Posted by snakerattle79

The reason why people think Dana White is some great businessman is because they are fanboys/shills. The guy was lucky to have billionaire buddies, one of which had connections with the Nevada State Athletic Commission. He blows over $30 million dollars in his first few years. Then Lorenzo pushes the idea of a reality show which is pretty much the same as the WWE show Tough Enough, when infact we all know Dana totally disagreed with that concept. But Then the reality show becomes a success. Dana White can't be given credit for that.

I gotta agree with you....I thought this was common knowledge.

Dana didn't want TUF. Not many people want to pay PPV prices to watch guys fight for the first time when they know nothing about them...except for maybe a 30 second commercial.

Now look at the NFL network, where people can follow their favorite players year round and know what they are eating for breakfast ....same in UFC...so many all access shows and TUF TV show...people want to feel like they have a connection to the fighter they are watching and before TUF, there weren't many ways to follow a fighter.

For the first 5 seasons of TUF, the fighters that left the house are forever marketed and known as former TUF fighters.

Look in lesser organizations at the fighters who lost in TUF....like Gideon Ray or someone...when a small promotion tries to market them on flyers or ads, they write in Gideon Ray (from The Ultimate Fighter) It puts people in the seats and people who don't follow lesser known fighters, might still recognize the guys name and root for him or against him, rather than not giving a damn either way.

Best recent example in Junie Browning. He's a douche, but he's not a great fighter....he's got energy. I am sure pretty much everyone on this board recognizes the guys name and most of you probably hate the guy and think he's bad for the sport,....blah blah blah....but the fact is, he sells tickets, no matter what organization he goes to....even if he is known as the heel and gets booed when he walks out to the ring. It is very WWE'esque but that is the way it is.

UFC would not be where it is today without TUF.

MMA in north america would not be as wide spread as it is today without TUF.

And people wouldn't know how common Staph infections can be if we didn't have TUF.

[chungt79]

UFC would not be this huge without TUF and there would be no TUF without Spike TV. We can all thank Spike TV.

[SWIFTboy]

Originally Posted by snakerattle79

The reason why people think Dana White is some great businessman is because they are fanboys/shills. The guy was lucky to have billionaire buddies, one of which had connections with the Nevada State Athletic Commission. He blows over $30 million dollars in his first few years. Then Lorenzo pushes the idea of a reality show which is pretty much the same as the WWE show Tough Enough, when infact we all know Dana totally disagreed with that concept. But Then the reality show becomes a success. Dana White can't be given credit for that.

Imagine: All credit has just been taken away from Dana White.

Question: How is your life different?

[mma #1 fan]

first I will think my self for buying every ppv that I can

[b0sH]

What a suprise another anti-UFC thread from snake (Dana White is the spawn of the Devil and Hitler) rattle79. I kid I kid.

It does seem as though Dana was against the TUF idea which Im sure on reflection he would say was foolish.

However I'm afraid there's a little more to just "TUF", in the success of the UFC. Being able to craft out the correct deals and actually capitalize on the success of TUF is what Dana should be credited for.

The ability to see that the UFC as a brand had value when they bought it and that could be taken forward and exploited was a very shrewd move, that was all Dana.

You've also got to ask why he was in contact with the Fertitas in the first place? Were they golf mates? Im afraid a massive part of life is who you know not what you know. Dana moving in the correct circles and having friends in high places is not just something that appears over night. The Fertitas are also highly unlikely to go into bussiness and back some1 that heavily if they don't believe he was business savy.

As a marketer the guy really does seem to know his shit and has essentially built himself up as a brand while building the UFC also. What he's accomplished even with billionaire backing is incredible. Many many people have failed where Dana has suceeded and Im not limiting that statement to MMA only.

[unkoil]

Originally Posted by snakerattle79

The reason why people think Dana White is some great businessman is because they are fanboys/shills. The guy was lucky to have billionaire buddies, one of which had connections with the Nevada State Athletic Commission. He blows over $30 million dollars in his first few years. Then Lorenzo pushes the idea of a reality show which is pretty much the same as the WWE show Tough Enough, when infact we all know Dana totally disagreed with that concept. But Then the reality show becomes a success. Dana White can't be given credit for that.

Snakerattle79,
Fine if this is true, but look at it like this.......
If you think White hasn't affected the UFC at all since being the President your fucking crazy...

Dana White's idea's/accomplishments - 99

Dana White's bad idea's/turn downs (TUF) - 1

His track record is still better compared to other companies.

[STruC1x]

To the hardcore fans, they like blood and people almost dying...
But to average viewer, they are terrified to see a guy laying breathless and blood everywhere (not everyone has the heart to watch and enjoy).

I think an organization is built from the top (Dana + 2 partners) to bottom (marketing/advertising, production, financing, etc crew...). The idea's of what to show (viewers) during and between fights are the reason it's growing with average viewers.

Note: Affliction would show a fighter laying breathless after KO with the camera zoomed on him for good 30secs - 1minute, while UFC takes the brutality out by showing the celebration of the winner, in the end showing the KO' fighter getting up (relief to viewers with weak heart)...

In short, IMO with Dana this sport has grown in popularity by atleast 25%.
You need a bald promoter making bold statements to face the critics (not some supermodel).

[greggo]

Noob Jack this bullshit, it's just one man's rant - it isn't news.