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[marko]

Obviously this topic has been overshadowed by the contraversial Judges decision from the main event.

Just want to get eveybody's opinion on whether the Cain Velasquez vs Ben Rothwell fight was stopped early or not ?

I personally can see why Mazzagatti stopped it. Rothwell took 6 clean shots to the side of the head and was not his defending himself intelligently, his eyes were also glazed over and they were rolling back. Rothwell was also warned by Mazzagatti before the 2nd round started that he couldn't allow him to keep taking punishment.

Would like to hear your thoughts !

[beau420]

Similar to the Amir Sadollah TKO. But with Rothwell, Mazzagatti could have stopped the fight about 3 times in the first round. He let it go to the second, Rothwell was looking at the ground taking shots in the face while he was getting up. The ref could not see, and did not try to see, Rothwell's eyes, so he can't judge how close he is to getting KOd, but he can see he wasn't intelligently defending himself.

I think it could have been stopped 2 or 3 other times during the fight. But stopping it when Mazzagatti did, was stupid. Sure he is protecting the fighter, but in my opinion, the ref should have been trying to talk to Ben more like he did earlier in the fight. Then Ben could let him know he is ok or he is getting up. Mazzagatti did it earlier in the fight, but just walked over and stopped them at the end.

Either way, what I learned is that Cain is a crisp puncher, but he doesn't turn his hips enough in his punches and I am not sure he has the power to deal with the elite of the HW division.

[FFFRpickup]

Originally Posted by marko

Obviously this topic has been overshadowed by the contraversial Judges decision from the main event.

Just want to get everybody's opinion on whether the Cain Velasquez vs Ben Rothwell fight was stopped early or not ?

I personally can see why Mazzagatti stopped it. Rothwell took 6 clean shots to the side of the head and was not his defending himself intelligently, his eyes were also glazed over and they were rolling back. Rothwell was also warned by Mazzagatti before the 2nd round started that he couldn't allow him to keep taking punishment.

Would like to hear your thoughts !

I understand that MAz could have stopped the fight in the first. But the call in the second was early. Simple as that. Sure the fighter has to defend himself and he was obviously making a effort(and succeeded to stand up) Maz just missed it. I know he wasn't defending the blows....the reason.....not because he couldn't.....he was taking the shots so he can use both arms to GET UP! that is intelligently making progress. If all people did was defend the blows then they would NEVER get up because the ref sees them turtling. You have to eat shots in order to free your hands to pull yourself up. BAD CALL by MAZZAGATI he focuses to much on ONE thing and misses the whole picture!

an example of why you need an entire picture:
earlier when spencer fisher was in the cruifix...he was eating repeated blows to the head....He actually defended the blows by putting his hand over his face! He inteligently put his hand in front of his face to defend the blows...the fight was stopped! It was a good call even thoguh he inteligently was defending the blows. We all saw it. the punches over and over taking efefct through Fisher's hand. call the fight! good call.

it's funny how people all say "ya..his eyes were glazed over and rolled back in his head" SUre in the instant replay we can see it. during a live fight at full speed?..PLEASE. Unless you get Bispinged. hard for refs to see with so much going on!

[Hawkman D]

ok...personally I thought the stoppage was early, BUT, nothing that Rothwell did in that fight led me to believe Cain wasn't going to just take him right back down and pound on him more...Rothwell knew damn well going in to this fight that Cain wasn't gonna stand and bang with him...TAKEDOWN, TAKEDOWN, TAKEDOWN...Rothwell needs to learn takedown defense before he ever steps in the ring with a wrestler again...at least Cain had a good gameplan...Rothwell did fine in the IFL, but those guys are pretty much all cans...but I do feel sorry for Cain, because if he fights Brock, he won't be able to take him down at will and I don't think he has the power to KO Brock

[rodzilla1988]

I think Rogan said it best that that was just a bad position to stop the fight. I think Maz had his mind made up before the 2nd round even started that he was stopping the fight. I'm 90% sure Cain was going to finish the bout somewhere in the 2nd round but never should that call be made when a fighter was in a what seems to be the right state of mind while standing up. I agree with Dana that Maz should never be allowed to even watch MMA because this is the straw the broke the camels back for me.

[Pasha K]

No, for me it was not a bad stoppage.
Cain was dominating all the fight and Rothwell already took a lot of punches, it was a matter of time, the fight would be stopped anyway, Rothwell was lucky that the ref didnt stop the fight in the 1st round.

[BELLSHWO]

Normally I would say yes it was a bad stoppage, but in the case of Cain and Big Ben, no it wasn't. We were no longer watching a "fight" at that point but a beatdown, plain and simple. At no time during that match was Ben in control, and by the end of the first anymore punishment was just salt on the wounds. When Maz saw him STILL getting beat up in the second, and taking all those hits I think it was time to call it.

JUST sayin

[the_dark_angel_4ever]

I don't think it was a bad stoppage. You can see Maz gave him a warning at the beginning of the second round and Big Ben was getting punished. If the refs are told to look after the welfare of the fighters then I can totally see why he stopped this fight when he did.

[joeyP]

The fight definitely should have been stopped, just not at that time. Rothwell wasn't going to win at the rate it was going, and he had taken a ton of damage leading up to when it was stopped

[pantomime horse]

Originally Posted by joeyP

The fight definitely should have been stopped, just not at that time. Rothwell wasn't going to win at the rate it was going, and he had taken a ton of damage leading up to when it was stopped

Exactly. With all the experience Ben has there's no excuse for why he would take that punishment and only get up when the ref is moving in. He has to know that the shots he was taking were not defended and that cannot continue forever.

I would have liked to see the fight go on, but Ben wasn't winning or in control at any point in the fight. He was outclassed by a guy with around 30 fewer fights on his resume. Cain is just plain good.