Is BJ truely untouchable? - Page 2

Xtremo · 03-04-2010, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by TBEAR

I said in the first post Hughes and GSP took him down but that is not in LW.....I dont see any LW being able to manhandle BJ. Just my thoughts

GSP used his size advantage so did hughes

I know...but thats why I said a fighter with a very high level of wrestling who is powerful and fights at 155 like gsp and hughes, but not them exactly....but yea, there are no 155ers that would give him trouble right now...

TBEAR · 03-05-2010, 04:41 AM

ok isee your point

dan the man 67 · 03-05-2010, 06:27 AM

I would have to say that at LW, BJ is untouchable at the level he is at right now. He seems to be light years ahead of anyone else in the division. Anytime it looks like he has a formidable opponent, he just totally annihilates them, in the same fashion that GSP does to WWs, and Silva does to MWs.

The only person who will beat BJ at LW is BJ himself. If he starts to lose motivation, or he gets too old to stay at the level he's at.

Kimbo> Rampage · 03-05-2010, 11:48 AM

everybody can be knocked out. but it would be VERY hard for somebody at LW or WW to KO bj. he wouldn't be at a disadvantage in the standup to anybody. and i would bet anything that we will never see bj subbed in the cage. that being said, the answer is neither. it is a GREAT wrestler who is also very good on the ground and has a strong gnp, like gsp did. GSP is not a better striker or bjj practitioner than bj. BJ arguably has the best TD defense in the game (top5 for sure). But GSP has great wrestling and was able to take bj down like no1 before, he has a great ground game and sick conditioning on top of that. the greasing accusation is up for debate and i hope we will find out the truth someday. i wouldn't be shocked if it was true. GSP looks greasy when he fights.

Aoki is dangerous on the ground, He would not be able to sub bj, and would get destroyed standing up. Alvarez has good standup with power and solid skill, but bj is still better and could beat him anyway he wanted to. i dont think anybody at 155 or 170 can beat bj besides GSP. If bj stood with anderson he would lose, but im not going up to 185 yet, and if bj gets him down it could be dangerous.

rivethead · 03-05-2010, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by 23Xtreme

I chose grappler because GSP was able to take him down numerous times...so a fighter with GSP's caliber of wrestling can probably edge out a decision....BJ was not able to get GSP in any kind of submission....I don't think he even tried because he gassed....

There is a difference between gassing and having someone specifically attack your thoracic cavity.

rh

rexthedog · 03-05-2010, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by rampage9712

Aoki is dangerous on the ground, He would not be able to sub bj.

disagree to an extent with this statement, not saying if they thought i think aoki would win but i think he could sub him, if anybody, it'd be shinya

The Return Of...... · 03-05-2010, 03:35 PM

p4p i dont think anyone is above bj

Xtremo · 03-05-2010, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by rivethead

There is a difference between gassing and having someone specifically attack your thoracic cavity.

rh

I don't understand what you mean by attacking the thoracic cavity...do you mean like hitting someone in the thoracic cavity area?

or

do you mean like taking someone down repeatedly so they would get tired by trying to stuff takedowns themselves (stuffing takedowns would get them tired in that thoracic cavity area)

or....idk

had to google thoracic cavity...lol

I want to understand your comment... me learning something new never hurts

rivethead · 03-06-2010, 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by 23Xtreme

I want to understand your comment... me learning something new never hurts

In the first fight, both Penn and GSP gassed. Since that point, Penn's conditioning--though maligned by his detractors--has been above reproach. People are always calling for him to gas, but he's actually extremely conditioned.

After the second fight, GSP explained that he and Greg Jackson consulted a team of doctors to specifically come up with a game plan to neutralize the areas where Penn has him edged. They explained that someone with Penn's flexibility is going to be more vulnerable in his thoracic cavity, and together they came up with--literally--the perfect game plan to beat Penn. In the first round, GSP doesn't make any attempt to stand and trade with Penn, he simply tries takedown after takedown until he finally scores. Immediately, he puts weight on Penn's thoracic cavity and begins working Penn's shoulders. The weight on the cavity prevents BJ from getting any oxygen, starving his muscles in general, meaning he's going to need to hyperventilate to oxygenate them again. The efforts on BJ's shoulders drains the blood from them, effectively removing the pop from Penn's jab, making it less of a risk for GSP to shoot later.

This process is repeated in the second and later rounds, where Georges is able to pass guard enough to put a knee directly in the cavity, bearing down with all his weight, preventing Penn from oxygenating his muscles.

To someone who didn't know what Georges was specifically doing, it looks like Penn gasses. Watching it again, after he explains it, it's like watching a surgery...all the skill, all the technology, all the planning coming together like a perfect storm.

rh

Xtremo · 03-06-2010, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by rivethead

In the first fight, both Penn and GSP gassed. Since that point, Penn's conditioning--though maligned by his detractors--has been above reproach. People are always calling for him to gas, but he's actually extremely conditioned.

After the second fight, GSP explained that he and Greg Jackson consulted a team of doctors to specifically come up with a game plan to neutralize the areas where Penn has him edged. They explained that someone with Penn's flexibility is going to be more vulnerable in his thoracic cavity, and together they came up with--literally--the perfect game plan to beat Penn. In the first round, GSP doesn't make any attempt to stand and trade with Penn, he simply tries takedown after takedown until he finally scores. Immediately, he puts weight on Penn's thoracic cavity and begins working Penn's shoulders. The weight on the cavity prevents BJ from getting any oxygen, starving his muscles in general, meaning he's going to need to hyperventilate to oxygenate them again. The efforts on BJ's shoulders drains the blood from them, effectively removing the pop from Penn's jab, making it less of a risk for GSP to shoot later.

This process is repeated in the second and later rounds, where Georges is able to pass guard enough to put a knee directly in the cavity, bearing down with all his weight, preventing Penn from oxygenating his muscles.

To someone who didn't know what Georges was specifically doing, it looks like Penn gasses. Watching it again, after he explains it, it's like watching a surgery...all the skill, all the technology, all the planning coming together like a perfect storm.

rh

I will need a link please (just playing, bro)....wow, I didn't know GSP and his team came up with such a plan...thanx for the information bro...

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To someone who didn't know what Georges was specifically doing, it looks like Penn gasses.

In this sentence, it makes it sound like BJ did not gas....so one last thing, did BJ gas or not then?
(I think yes)