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[Otomosix]

Originally Posted by Fedorlei Gomipierre

I gotta go with a sweep or an an armbar personally. Some of the smaller fighters I train with are crazy flexible and utilize some awesome rubberguard stuff to really pindown the top fighter and get a good amount of control off the back.

I was debating asking your opinion of Rubber Guard after I saw your 1st post here. I still don't understand why it hasn't been adopted by more MMA fighters (especially to combat LnP situations). I mean, if the guy is staying in your guard and laying on you (instead of posturing up), he seems to be in perfect position to slap on Mission Control (since you don't even need to pull the back of his head down into your chest---he's doing it for you).

I'm not a particularly strong guy so I hate double-wrist control from bottom guard. Rubber Guard is way easier for me to pull off. The only fighter off the top of my head who executes proper RG is George Sotiropoulos. Others try it but never seem to do it right (simple things like wrong hand position or failure to move past Mission Control).

Keep in mind, we're only speaking of a guy who likes to LnP (if he postures up, that's a whole different ballgame).

[Fedorlei Gomipierre]

Originally Posted by Otomosix

I was debating asking your opinion of Rubber Guard after I saw your 1st post here. I still don't understand why it hasn't been adopted by more MMA fighters (especially to combat LnP situations). I mean, if the guy is staying in your guard and laying on you (instead of posturing up), he seems to be in perfect position to slap on Mission Control (since you don't even need to pull the back of his head down into your chest---he's doing it for you).

I'm not a particularly strong guy so I hate double-wrist control from bottom guard. Rubber Guard is way easier for me to pull off. The only fighter off the top of my head who executes proper RG is George Sotiropoulos. Others try it but never seem to do it right (simple things like wrong hand position or failure to move past Mission Control).

Keep in mind, we're only speaking of a guy who likes to LnP (if he postures up, that's a whole different ballgame).

I'm a good 290lbs, so in training, I'm very rarely working off my back sans simple demos, and when I am off my back, it's all about the wrist control and looking to secure a butterfly en route to a sweep or even simple hip movement and wiggling away to make him chase you within your guard, because that'll give you a potential look at throwing a foot into the armpit/side area and look for an armbar.

But the rubberguard, or as you said, simple mission control should be enough to put the LNPer into a stalemate position, for there's very little room to transition or even really work when the leg is in such an invasive position and then gives alot of more leeway to freeup at least one of your arms and at THAT point, I could actually forsee some good shots off the back or worst case scenario, look for a sub or even wait for a standup. Nick Diaz has a sick rubber guard from what I can remember.

[Otomosix]

I don't ever want to get in a fight with you. LOL

[beau420]

I lot of great wrestlers keep their guard so tight there is no room to throw elbows. (like a Phil Davis or someone like that)

Unless they have a looser guard or are low on the body or posturing up, then elbows will be hard to connect.

I'd also like to see more elbows thrown from side control, not forearms smashes but elbows.

My only problem with this is that you can only train this type of striking with a dummy and they are all downward elbows (from the fighters perspective) which can not only cut real easily, but do even more damage.

I would like to see it more, but if you are a great wrestler, you can lay and pray anyone you want and stay out of trouble.

[singhc]

Not an expert but I would think it would be hard to get any force when punching from the bottom and its more likely to get clipped by the guy from the top when your focusing on offense instead of defense.

[sikk]

Well when you start throwing elbows you're usually giving up wrist control on your opponent and any under hook you may have had or been going for. You're basically trading control for striking which with a good gnp practitioner could mean you're gonna eat some strikes yourself.

[Mac]

Originally Posted by joeodd2

Great points. Like everything in MMA it's risk/reward I guess. But seriously. Any other ideas on how to defeat LNP from your back?

Yeah, become a better fighter and don't end up there.

[Sniggles]

Why learn takedown defense when you can throw elbows with a guy on top of you?

[Iron Triangle]

Originally Posted by joeodd2

Absolutely true! The Nogerias have the best sweeps in MMA, good call on the Brilz fight. I'm in the minority that had Nog winning that fight....

Of course this is MMA right? I think a healthy dose of elbows from the bottom mixed in with sweeps and sub attempts could be enough to kill LNP

Good point. Elbows by themselves won't stop LNPers. But, if used to set up Subs/Sweeps, they can be very effective.

I used to ignore sweeps, only focusing on Subs. By doing so I missed a lot of chances to reverse my opponent, gaining top position were I had even more options.

Plus, I am more of a top grappler to begin with. It would make more sense for me to find a way to get from the bottom to my more natural spot.