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[TheKidInside]

On the Primetime, Brock did make a good point about him being a beast! Now, Cain has been talking about Daniel Cormier being a HUUGE part of his camp for months now. So, my question...is Dan Cormier not a better wrestler? Sure he is way smaller than Brock and probably not as athletic but he is an Olympic team captain, Bronze world medalist, national champ, NCAA runner up, yada yada...

[Fedorlei Gomipierre]

The thing about Cormier being a huge part of Cain's camp intrigues me because he's a bigger MMA noob than Brock and to the MMA-style of amateur wrestling in regards to eating strikes, clinchwork, balance and cardio, that I don't know how that transfers helpfully against Brock. Having watched all of his fights, Cormier's style of wrestling as a seriously stocky HW and honestly, his entire attack is very questionable against somebody like Brock because he isn't offering the same style of attack and while Cain's camp is loaded with wonderful wrestlers, you can't duplicate what Brock brings.

He's not just an amazing NCAA champion wrestler, but the BIGGEST difference between somebody like Cormier and Brock is my oft-cliched "PHYSICAL SPECIMEN" tag I place on Brock. There is an athleticism that nobody but Brock presents, a speed and power and brute brutality that is just phenominal and Cain, at his smaller stature can train with the best wrestlers out there, but aside from somebody like Carwin, I don't think you can truly duplicate the style of Lesnar's attack and his many intangibles he brings to the table.

Personally, Cain's key factors are cardio and handspeed, but I fear he's giving up too too too much size and power to the much grander Lesnar.

[Xtremo]

Lesnar will be able to take down Cain for most of the first three rounds of the fight, but will not be able to finish Cain. I personally think Brock will then gass out and Cain will get the upper hand during the fourth and fifth with his insane cardio... Cain by tko Rd 4

There is an athleticism that nobody but Brock presents, a speed and power and brute brutality that is just phenominal

I completely agree, but I kinda see Mitrione having the next best athleticism in the HW division...Obviously Mitrione's wrestling isn't where Brock's is, but his athleticism is really good imo, especially considering he is also 6'3 and weighs in at 255'ish...He moves REALLY good for a HW and is really light on his feet...I am not too sure about his strength though...(this all coming off the top of my head so if you disagree or I am off, tell me...)

[TheKidInside]

I disagree, Brock size works completely against him, besides Carwin who embarrased himself by gassing and punching himself out, he's fought no one of caliber...Cain looks as fresh in the 3rd round (for example against Kongo) as he does in the first round. If Brock doesn't find a way to put him out in the 1st, he is doomed

[Masscore]

To be honest I have no idea how Brock wins this fight. I know he is a big strong dude with great wrestling but he just literally offers nothing to Cain.

Wrestling - I know everyone will point to Brock's NCAA D1 title and say he is the best wrestler. But do you really know the difference between the guy that came in 1st at the NCAA's and the guy who came in 8th? Slim to none. If you follow college wrestling you know what I mean because year in and year out you have several low seeds (8-12 range) make the finals and win. At the level the difference is non-exsitant unless you are an all time great like Sanderson, the Smith brothers, or Jones. Brock is not an all time great and in the wrestling world will never be considered an all-time great. Lets also consider that Cain never stopped training since he got out of college, Brock took about 10 years off. Any advantage Brock may have had over Cain is gone.

Striking - Cain has some of the fastest and most techinal hands at HW. Don't believe me just watch him nearly take off Big Nog's head. In a matter of four seconds he hit Big Nog 9 times to finish the fight. Also Lesnar's striking defense is pretty horrible and he hates to get hit. If he curls up into a ball against Cain like he did with Carwin the fight will be stopped.

Cardio - Huge edge I think in Cain's favor. Even though Brock has good to great cardio, nobody can touch Cain. The guy threw something like 250 punches in 6 mins against Rothwell and was barely breaking a sweat. He just sets such an insane pace that I just do not see Brock keeping up with. Even if Brock is in the best shape of his life he is still a big guy with lots of muscles that need air and blood. Cain's pace is just going to be way way too much for him.

To be honest I do not think this fight makes it past the 4 min mark. Cain is going to hit Lesnar early and either take him down or Lesnar will curl up in a ball and then Cain will unleash about 100 punches and the ref will be forced to pull him off.

[Adambomb]

Originally Posted by TheKidInside

I disagree, Brock size works completely against him, besides Carwin who embarrased himself by gassing and punching himself out, he's fought no one of caliber...Cain looks as fresh in the 3rd round (for example against Kongo) as he does in the first round. If Brock doesn't find a way to put him out in the 1st, he is doomed

Who of high calibur has Cain fought exactly? What was his overly impressive win? Big Nog who doesn't move his head and also got killed by Mir? Kongo who can't wrestle to save his live but still managed to rock Cain every time he shot? Ben Rothwell who Cain dominated but was only able to finish with a questionable stoppage? How are any of Cain's fights more impressive than Brock's demolition of Randy Couture, Heath Herring, & Frank Mir? Cain is a great fighter, but he hasn't faced the level of competition Brock has.

Cain is extraordinarily talented, but he doesn't have one punch KO power like Carwin does, and Brock was able to whether that storm quite well. I find it very hard to believe that Cain will be able to stop Brock.

Have you stopped to think what happens if Cain ever gets rocked? He won't be able to just shoot and take time on the mat to recover like he did against Kongo. Brock's boxing isn't the best, but as we saw against Randy he is capable of a one punch KO.

I'll admit that Cain is the more skilled fighter, but he has a very slim margin for error against Lesnar's power and athleticism. Since this is the first time Cain is facing an opponent that can actually rival him in both wrestling and athleticism, he won't pull it off.

[Adambomb]

Originally Posted by Masscore

To be honest I have no idea how Brock wins this fight. I know he is a big strong dude with great wrestling but he just literally offers nothing to Cain.

Wrestling - I know everyone will point to Brock's NCAA D1 title and say he is the best wrestler. But do you really know the difference between the guy that came in 1st at the NCAA's and the guy who came in 8th? Slim to none. If you follow college wrestling you know what I mean because year in and year out you have several low seeds (8-12 range) make the finals and win. At the level the difference is non-exsitant unless you are an all time great like Sanderson, the Smith brothers, or Jones. Brock is not an all time great and in the wrestling world will never be considered an all-time great. Lets also consider that Cain never stopped training since he got out of college, Brock took about 10 years off. Any advantage Brock may have had over Cain is gone.

Striking - Cain has some of the fastest and most techinal hands at HW. Don't believe me just watch him nearly take off Big Nog's head. In a matter of four seconds he hit Big Nog 9 times to finish the fight. Also Lesnar's striking defense is pretty horrible and he hates to get hit. If he curls up into a ball against Cain like he did with Carwin the fight will be stopped.

Cardio - Huge edge I think in Cain's favor. Even though Brock has good to great cardio, nobody can touch Cain. The guy threw something like 250 punches in 6 mins against Rothwell and was barely breaking a sweat. He just sets such an insane pace that I just do not see Brock keeping up with. Even if Brock is in the best shape of his life he is still a big guy with lots of muscles that need air and blood. Cain's pace is just going to be way way too much for him.

To be honest I do not think this fight makes it past the 4 min mark. Cain is going to hit Lesnar early and either take him down or Lesnar will curl up in a ball and then Cain will unleash about 100 punches and the ref will be forced to pull him off.

You base WAY too much on Cain's performance against Nog. Mir did the exact same thing to Nog and look what happened when he stepped into the cage with Brock. Nog has absolutely no head movement at this point in his career.

He landed 250 punches against Rothwell and Ben was never close to going to sleep. The ref stopped the fight more out of pity than damage. Rothwell was getting dominated but he wasn't close to getting KO'd, and for the ref to stop this fight Brock will have to go to sleep. After his showing against Carwin Lesnar will get a lot of leeway.

Cain's striking is not nearly as dangerous as Carwin's. If I'm Brock and Cain starts throwing kicks I'm delighted because it gives a huge opportunity for a takedown.

This fight is the heavyweight equivalent of Penn-Edgar. I can see Cain winning, but if he does it definitely won't be by stoppage. He needs to fight a perfect fight to beat Lesnar.

[Masscore]

Originally Posted by Adambomb

You base WAY too much on Cain's performance against Nog. Mir did the exact same thing to Nog and look what happened when he stepped into the cage with Brock. Nog has absolutely no head movement at this point in his career.

He landed 250 punches against Rothwell and Ben was never close to going to sleep. The ref stopped the fight more out of pity than damage. Rothwell was getting dominated but he wasn't close to getting KO'd, and for the ref to stop this fight Brock will have to go to sleep. After his showing against Carwin Lesnar will get a lot of leeway.

Cain's striking is not nearly as dangerous as Carwin's. If I'm Brock and Cain starts throwing kicks I'm delighted because it gives a huge opportunity for a takedown.

This fight is the heavyweight equivalent of Penn-Edgar. I can see Cain winning, but if he does it definitely won't be by stoppage. He needs to fight a perfect fight to beat Lesnar.

The difference between Mir-Nog and Cain-Nog is Nog did not have staph infections and need mulitple surgeries on both knees. Nog didn't move in the Mir fight and against Cain he actually had some movement.

Cain does not have the KO power Carwin does, few fighters do. But Cain is far more techinal then Carwin and much much faster. What he lacks in power he makes up in ten-fold in speed. And I doubt Cain will throw leg kicks at Lesnar.

And you should know by following MMA that you do not need to put your opponent to sleep to get the ref to stop the fight. You just have to make it to the point that the ref HAS to stop the fight. That is what Cain does. He hits so much so fast the ref has no choice but to call the fight.

[TheKidInside]

Adam you need to go back and rewatch the Rothwell fight and notice the look on Ben's face in that fight...he quit himself, he was shocked and in awe at the strength and speed of Cain...furthermore, Brock doesn't throw like Kongo and the only reason Cain kept taking him down is because he would throw overhand rights or left hooks and Cain would duck under and over or single leg him...

one way to find out but I completely agree with Masscore.

[Leucoethiops]

Key variables in the fight:

Cain's chin: Kongo buckled Cain's knees 2 or 3 times in their fights, and I'm thinking Brock probably hits harder than Kongo; however! It is not on the feet where I believe Cain's chin will be tested, but through Brock's ground and pound.

Cain's TDD: Stuffing Brock's take downs will be paramount to Cain's success in this fight. Great gas tank or not; when you have 300lbs of bad intentions hammering your skull in, your gas tank won't necessarily keep you conscious or intelligently defending yourself.

Brock's gas tank: We know Cain's got a great tank, and if Cain can keep the fight standing and impose his striking, assuming Brock's chin can handle it; can his gas tank?

Brock's ability to take a punch and not turtle like a bitch: If Brock has not addressed his issues with taking damage, and has not learned that moving straight back and cowering is not an ideal defensive maneuver, then he'll be in trouble. If Cain can put Brock on his back, against the cage, Cain will not gas out while laying into Brock; and no ref is going to let Brock take a Carwinesque beating for 25 minutes.