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02-24-2011, 11:26 PM
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Strikeforce takes a fair amount of heat for their booking decisions. But honestly, they do a damn fine job of making the most of a very thin roster. For example, Evangelista "Cybrog" Santos certainly didn't merit a title shot against Nick Diaz, but he sure as hell made for a great fight.
Where Strikeforce is really deficient is their inability to develop talent and build home grown stars. They didn't know what the heck to do with Bobby Lashley, but that didn't prevent them from paying him a fair amount of money to beat Wes Sims and lose to Chad Griggs. They don't seem to know what to do with Shane del Rosario, having only given him three fights in three years under contract.
And now it looks like they're considering rushing Roger Gracie into a fight with Gegard Mousasi. Per MMA Weekly:
The latest fight in talks for the (April 9th) card pits former light heavyweight champion Gegard Mousasi against multiple time grappling champion Roger Gracie.
While no bout agreements have been issued, sources have indicated to MMAWeekly.com that the fighters have at least verbally agreed to the match-up at this point.
That's right. If this report is correct (and I trust MMA Weekly's reporting as a rule), Strikeforce is considering booking the 4-0 Roger Gracie against the 30-3-1 Gegard Mousasi.
Gracie, whose toughest opponent was the 38 year old puffed up middleweight Trevor Prangley, has shown real promise by working hard to develop a rudimentary striking game to compliment his all-universe submission skills. But by no stretch of the imagination is he ready to face Mousasi, the #11 Light Heavyweight in the world in our USAT/SBNation Consensus MMA Rankings.
Mousasi combines top level striking with a solid submission game. He's definitely got the skills to bust up Roger on the feet and quite possibly can survive a couple of minutes on the ground with Gracie.
That Strikeforce is even considering rushing Gracie like this indicates a couple of factors:
Gracie is pulling down a big paycheck and they can't afford to build him slowly.
According to the California State Athletic Commission, Gracie got $75,000 (with no win bonus) for beating Prangley. That's compared to the $20,000 that Cyborg got to fight for the Strikeforce WW title in the headliner on the card. It's hard for a fighter like Roger Gracie who's got a big name -- in his case both the family name he inherited and his hard-earned reputation as the best competition grappler in the history of sport jiu jitsu -- to develop slowly. Their notoriety brings attention and earning opportunities that are hard to turn down.
Strikeforce doesn't have enough room on their cards to book Mike Kyle vs Gegard Mousasi.
Strikeforce has a large roster given the small number of cards it puts on and the very small number of fights on those cards. Given that they don't book undercard fights with fighters under contract, Strikeforce is limited to 4 or 5 fights per card. They haven't used Mousasi since April of 2010. They need to get him a fight ASAP. But unfortunately neither Mousasi nor Mike Kyle is a name to the casual fans Strikeforce depends on for ratings.
Strikeforce needs Roger Gracie on the card.
Even the most casual MMA fan has been trained to notice the Gracie name. If, as this report seems to indicate, the April 9th card won't include the heavyweight tournament fights but will instead be headlined by Gilbert Melendez vs Tatsuya Kawajiri lightweight title fight, Strikeforce will be desperate to add some names to the card. Given that neither Herschel Walker nor Gina Carano will be fighting, they don't have a lot of options.
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02-25-2011, 03:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Sakara=Excitement | Wrong.
Any time you put Gegard Mousasi in the cage you're doing it right.
How long did it take the UFC to put Lesnar in with fighters who should have been over his head? His first fight. The only difference is that Gracie is a better all around MMA fighter than Lesnar was. And that Mousasi is better than Mir is/was.
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02-25-2011, 04:06 AM
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Gegard is such a huge step up,and Roger doesnt have a huge advantage on the ground like he would against most competition. I think Gegard keeps it standing and puts him away in the second.
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02-25-2011, 04:27 AM
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This fight doesn't bother me too much. Who else could they have put against Mousasi? Kyle? A rematch against King Mo? Gracie is an absolute monster on the ground. If he can get it there, it'll be interesting.
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02-25-2011, 05:06 AM
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Originally Posted by KevoOnTheRadio This fight doesn't bother me too much. Who else could they have put against Mousasi? Kyle? A rematch against King Mo? Gracie is an absolute monster on the ground. If he can get it there, it'll be interesting. | A rematch with Mo would of been a really good idea. I think if Gegard wins this he will get a title shot,would love to see him fight Dan.
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02-25-2011, 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by GL Jeff A rematch with Mo would of been a really good idea. I think if Gegard wins this he will get a title shot,would love to see him fight Dan. | I think Mo's new is still jacked up. But a Hendo/Mousasi fight sounds pretty epic. Been waiting for that since Henderson signed with SF.
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02-25-2011, 05:55 AM
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I have no doubts that Roger could beat Mousasi in a BJJ match, but he would get killed in the standup. Geghard might massacre him before it even hits the ground.
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02-25-2011, 06:11 AM
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This fight is actually kind of interesting, for Strikefarce.
I hope Roger pulls the upset.
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02-25-2011, 09:03 AM
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In a straight up grappling match, Roger of course takes this hands-down. But Gegard is something of a ground whiz himself, at least enough to stop Gracie's takedowns. On the feet, it's not even close: Mousasi made Kyotaro (who, despite some revisionist history since Dynamite, is a very solid HW kickboxer) look silly a few months ago.
If this happens, it's going to look competitive for about two minutes. Then: snuff job.
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02-25-2011, 09:09 AM
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If King Mo was able to take Mousasi down, I think Gracie will have a pretty good chance as well. And I believe his stand up will be good enough to let him survive until it gets there.
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