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[Kimbo> Rampage]

Originally Posted by rivethead

I was never a Coleman fan, but he's done more for MMA than lesnar has, by far.

Originally Posted by rivethead

Bringing fans from WWE brings in revenue, but it doesn't innovate anything.

$ and exposure to the sport... bringing it heights it hasnt seen in the past... being the biggest PPV draw ever... MMA being put in the spotlight when it often wouldnt have been in the past...

Oh but I forgot, Mark Coleman "Invented" GNP....

Originally Posted by rivethead

Coleman is one of many, many, many fighters who did more with less gifts than lesnar did.

Yes, because Coleman was such a skilled guy(besides wresting)...

Shooting up, Lifting weight, and wresting with Randleman everyday...

Hammerouse innovated how MMA fighters trained... told them what not to do....

Winning a UFC title in 1996> Winning a UFC title in 2008?

[beardown98]

Originally Posted by rampage9712

$ and exposure to the sport... bringing it heights it hasnt seen in the past... being the biggest PPV draw ever... MMA being put in the spotlight when it often wouldnt have been in the past...

Oh but I forgot, Mark Coleman "Invented" GNP....


Yes, because Coleman was such a skilled guy(besides wresting)...

Shooting up, Lifting weight, and wresting with Randleman everyday...

Hammerouse innovated how MMA fighters trained... told them what not to do....

Winning a UFC title in 1996> Winning a UFC title in 2008?

If not for coleman your beloved Lesnar may have never made his way to MMA are you too short sighted to see that?

No one said Coleman was a world beater or the best all around fighter you just assumed.

Also lets look at the staying power of Brocks supposed bringing on a new fan base. I agree he was a big draw when he fought but those people did not tune back into the PPV's when he was not on the card. Lesnar VS Ubereem at UFC 141 garnered around 750,000 buys then UFC 142 got 225,000 UFC 143 around 400,000 and 144 around 375,000

Lesnars first PPV with the UFC his loss to Mir at UFC 81 got 650,000 buys

UFC 82 got 375,000 buys

Now lets look at the UFC before brock UFC 80 got 225,000 buys
UFC 79 600,000 buys UFC 78 400,000 you see a trend here

So your point that Lesnars fans stuck with MMA is crap and holds no water.

[mma #1 fan]

Originally Posted by Sniggles

The UFC Hall of Fame isn't about the quality of your opponents, it's about how much money you made the company.

Dan, KEN, ,Mask ,Colemn ,& Royce really did not make the ufc much cash

[Mac]

Bottom line is Lesnar doesn't have enough time in the game to even be considered, 7 fights can't get you into the hall of fame, no way, no how. Not a legit hall of fame anyhow. I can't believe I'm even chiming in on this, it's so ridiculous. PPV buys as a consideration for HOF? Fucking stupid.

[disposableassassin]

Originally Posted by Mac

PPV buys as a consideration for HOF?

only in the UFC!

[rivethead]

Originally Posted by rampage9712

Oh but I forgot, Mark Coleman "Invented" GNP....

Coleman's innovation to GnP is far more valid than lesnar being the "Biggest Draw" MMA has ever seen. The bulk of his career he was on stacked cards with opponents who were viable draws themselves.

Further, I don't see bringing in uneducated fans as temporary viewers as having a lasting impact, nor do I believe that "any publicity is good publicity" for an industry on the verge of becoming mainstream.

But as always, you are welcome to your opinion.

Originally Posted by Mac

Bottom line is Lesnar doesn't have enough time in the game to even be considered, 7 fights can't get you into the hall of fame, no way, no how. Not a legit hall of fame anyhow. I can't believe I'm even chiming in on this, it's so ridiculous. PPV buys as a consideration for HOF? Fucking stupid.

To be fair, he has more fights than Mask.

but I really liked this part of the post and felt it could stand alone, specifically when referring to the UFC's interpretation:

HOF? Fucking stupid.

rh

[opiumdeth]

UFC hall of fame is as legit as WWE Hall of fame. It would be nice to see an outside source create a MMA hall of fame. Brock could have been a great fighter if he had gotten into MMA when he was younger the man has some serious Wrestling (not wwe) skills but he didn't. Will he be in the UFC HOF who cares anyways it needs more Shamrock

[disposableassassin]

Originally Posted by opiumdeth

UFC hall of fame is as legit as WWE Hall of fame. It would be nice to see an outside source create a MMA hall of fame. Brock could have been a great fighter if he had gotten into MMA when he was younger the man has some serious Wrestling (not wwe) skills but he didn't. Will he be in the UFC HOF who cares anyways it needs more Shamrock

i dunno i think the WWE's hall of fame is far more legitimate than the UFC's.

[Kimbo> Rampage]

I definitely wouldnt have Brock in the HOF... the UFC HOF is a joke, Dana's personal list...

But comparing Brock to Colman is very poor argument imo...

2 wrongs dont make a right... just because the UFC put Mark in there for some reason, doesnt mean they have to do the same with Brock... or hold that same precedent... because if they did, it would become packed and watered down quickly.

Originally Posted by beardown98

So your point that Lesnars fans stuck with MMA is crap and holds no water.

When did I ever say that... And the only way to prove if Fans stuck with the sport is to see if the PPV numbers he pulled were repeated without him?... right...

A lot of those were mindless Lesnar fans... but who knows how many stayed with the sport... hell even a few here and on other forums admit to coming to MMA because of Brock, and have become big fans ever since.

Originally Posted by Mac

Bottom line is Lesnar doesn't have enough time in the game to even be considered, 7 fights can't get you into the hall of fame, no way, no how. Not a legit hall of fame anyhow. I can't believe I'm even chiming in on this, it's so ridiculous. PPV buys as a consideration for HOF? Fucking stupid.

It is...

But compared to Coleman... Dont know how he got brought up in the first place...

Mark went 7-5 in the UFC.... If your basing Coleman's HOF bid on his HW title, than it isnt far fetched to put Brock in there as well.

Neither really deserve to be in a legit HOF imo... if you look at how they are set up in other respected sports.

[beardown98]

Originally Posted by rampage9712

But compared to Coleman... Dont know how he got brought up in the first place...

Mark went 7-5 in the UFC.... If your basing Coleman's HOF bid on his HW title, than it isnt far fetched to put Brock in there as well.

Neither really deserve to be in a legit HOF imo... if you look at how they are set up in other respected sports.

I don't think anyone ever said Coleman should be in there because of his record or title it has more to do with how he changed thy way people fought and trained for MMA. It was how he opened the door for other wrestlers to enter the sport. He showed the MMA world how Wrestlers could excel in the sport. That at least is why i feel he belongs in the UFC HOF.