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I know this could go in the suppliments thread but it's a bit different. What is the overall consensus, if there is one, on what protein powder is the best? There's so many bloody choices that I dont' know which are good and which are useless. I'm talking like straight protein powder. I've read the higher the price the better, but that could just be a higher price due to brand name.

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Nah higher price doesn't neccisarily mean better but the cheapest stuff isn't a good choice either.

For post workout, you want Whey Protein and a fast acting carb. A good choice is Optimum Nutrition 100% Whey mixed with Dextrose or gatorade or Waxy Maize Starch for 2:1 carbs to Protein. If you just want to buy something prepared Biotest Surge is good and I've heard good things about Accelerade. Lastly you could have a custom mix made with these proportions at www.trueprotein.com (just click build custom mix)

For Meal replacement/Before Bed/ Anytime not periworkout you want a Casein/Whey blend. Muscle Milk is a good choice here but high calorie (although they have MM lite now too). Also you can buy Milk Protein Isolate from True Protein or possibly Optimum Nutrition (I'm not sure but I think they carry it).
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the cheapest stuff isn't a good choice either.
I disagree with this to an extent. If you find a trustworthy source of bulk whey powder it is less than half the cost of branded products, and has an identical or close amino acid profile (if the profile is identical, then the powder was supplied from the same dairy).

Unflavoured is also healthier due to the absence of sweeteners and flavourings (you can add these yourself such as sucralose/fructose, fruit juice, cocoa, but imo it tastes just fine anyway)

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i've liked the results from taking MUSCLEMILK, i mix it with soy milk and put on around 10lbs of solid muscle
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i've liked the results from taking MUSCLEMILK, i mix it with soy milk and put on around 10lbs of solid muscle

is that all you take?
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I disagree with this to an extent. If you find a trustworthy source of bulk whey powder it is less than half the cost of branded products, and has an identical or close amino acid profile (if the profile is identical, then the powder was supplied from the same dairy).

Unflavoured is also healthier due to the absence of sweeteners and flavourings (you can add these yourself such as sucralose/fructose, fruit juice, cocoa, but imo it tastes just fine anyway)

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True, I meant the cheapest stuff not in bulk. Like the weider protein powder (It's damn near all soy) and the Walmart shit. Although walmarts creatine isn't too bad, it's actually made by the same people that manufacture Muscle Tech but thats a different topic entirely


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i've liked the results from taking MUSCLEMILK, i mix it with soy milk and put on around 10lbs of solid muscle
Just so that you know eating alot of soy can be bad. It has phytoestrogens in it which your body converts to estrogen. Many people are against any soy but in all honesty a bit of soy milk won't kill you. Just avoid intaking too much soy on a regular basic (like supplementing with it or something)
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Whey protein, which is in most protein supplements, is derived from milk. During the pasteurization process the milk is filtered and a foamy substance is left over. That foamy substance is whey. For years farmers and scientists simply used to throw the whey away or feed it to the animals until they found that it is a superior form of protein.

In fact whey protein is the highest BV(biological value) of any protein.

Remember one thing: What does quality protein mean and how is it measured? Protein quality is measured by the number of essential or indispensable amino acids provided and by the digestibility of the protein. Protein quality is measured by the Biological Value(BV). BV is a value that measures how well the body can absorb and utilize a protein. The higher the Biological Value of the protein you use, the more nitrogen your body can absorb, use, and retain. As a result, proteins with the highest BV promote the most lean muscle gains. Whey protein has the highest BV value, rating at 104. Egg protein is only second to whey rating as a 100 with milk proteins being a close third rating as 91. Beef rates as an 80 with soy proteins(tofu included) a distant 74. Bean proteins, due to the fact that are plant-based proteins, only rate a 49.

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I take about 5 protein shakes a day as well as eating 1-2 food meals and have done so for about 5-6 years. I eat 1-2 food meals and then have about 4-5 shakes a day. I almost always eat 6 meals a day. 5 used to be my average, but I try to keep it to 6. I have a before bedtime MM shake.

I use Pure Advantage and Cytosport products. Other brands are good such as Optimum Nutrition, Beverly Nutrition, BSN, and others.

Taking protein within 30 minutes after working out is best to return your body from catabolic(muscle breakdown) to anabolic(muscle recovery).

I will take the following info directly from my Smart Nutrition Book which is part of the A.B.1 Training Systems Program.

1. Protein Sources

i. The most important choice here is quality.
ii. Taste should not be a factor. Think about what it is doing to your body.
iii. Muscle Milk(RTDs), Nectar, Optimum Nutrition, and Pure Advantage are all great whey protein brands.
iv. GNC’s Protein 95 is a great (Supro Soy) soy protein source. Spiru-Tein is also a good brand choice for soy as well.
v. The other option is a protein bar. Balance, Zone, Nitrotech or Detour brands are some of the best bars to choose.
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What brands of protein should you stay away from?
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What brands of protein should you stay away from?
As a male you should stay away form any soy based proteins. Otherwise I would personally stay away from Muscletech and Xyience just because they are typically way overpriced for what they are.


Alwaysbelieve1, Welcome aboard. Sounds like you really know you stuff. It's always nice to have an additional opinion around. Though, I have 2 questions:

What is your opinion on store bought Protein Bars? I find them packed full of sugars and such.

How do you feel with 4 shakes and 2 meals in a day? I don't think I could handle that many shales in place of meals.
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I am only trying to show you the BEST way. There are other ways, but there is only one BEST way
Welcome, and nice detailed post - I look forward to reading more from you.

However, I strongly disagree with this statement and it'd be good if you could elaborate for me.

I've always been led to believe (through reading and experience) that there is no 'best way' as everone's body is different. Is is possible that you have discovered the best way for you rather than the best way for everyone?

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