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[Rufio]

Does anyone still use soy protein other than old women?

[Clint]

Originally Posted by strife

What negatives have you heard Don?

Is there really any truth to Hogan eating 2 dozen eggs? That's epic if true.

He's a mighty big dude. When he was actually wrestling it wouldn't surprise me.

Originally Posted by Rufio

Does anyone still use soy protein other than old women?

They are the only people that should use it unless you wanna grow some tits. Soy is packed with phytoestrogens which you body so wonderfully converts directly into estrogen

[killerinstinct]

I've drank raw eggs before ,I think you're probably safe to drink them ,I mean people drink raw eggs all the time and are fine ,I've never heard of anyone getting salmonella poisoning from it,I'm sure it's possible ,but I don't thinks it's as likely as people make it out to be ,besides egg have more protein raw ,every food loses proteins when it's cooked.

[Clint]

Originally Posted by killerinstinct

I've drank raw eggs before ,I think you're probably safe to drink them ,I mean people drink raw eggs all the time and are fine ,I've never heard of anyone getting salmonella poisoning from it,I'm sure it's possible ,but I don't thinks it's as likely as people make it out to be ,besides egg have more protein raw ,every food loses proteins when it's cooked.

Not true at all. most foods don't lose protein, it is just broken into amino acids (which your digestive system does anyways) and the whites in eggs are undigestible raw because your body cannot break some of the bonds in them.

[SimpleJack]

Originally Posted by Clint

The negatives? There should be practically no negatives to whey protein.

This is part of what I've learned in my research...
"When you eat a serving of whey protein, its digestion in your gut results in a very rapid, but short-lived, surge of amino acids into your bloodstream (Boirie et al., 1997). Casein, by comparison, yields a slower, more sustained release of amino acids (Boirie et al., 1997). Importantly, casein’s slower absorption profile seems to better promote a positive protein balance (Boirie et al., 1997) -an essential requirement for building bigger muscles.

Recall from above that one way of estimating your protein balance is by measuring your body’s balance of a particular amino acid, such as leucine. A positive leucine balance indicates a state (i.e., increased availability of leucine inside your muscle cells) that supports protein anabolism. Conversely, a negative leucine balance indicates conditions favoring protein catabolism.

Ironically, whey protein marketers have been known to cite the Boirie study (Boirie et al., 1997) as evidence with which to support whey’s ‘superiority’ as a muscle-building protein. Contrary to what their ads and articles (‘advertorials’) imply, however, Boirie et al. found that casein -not whey- produced the most positive leucine balance when fed to healthy young humans. In fact, whey actually produced a negative leucine balance."

I can go on with more stuff, but this about sums it up.

[Rufio]

Actually Clint, from what I've read it takes an INSANE amount of soy protein to have any significant effect on estrogen levels. In general from my reading it's safe to eat some soy protein. The only problem is that it's not very high on the protein absorption scale. Whey, cassein, eggs, and meats are really the only worthwile proteins.

[SimpleJack]

I agree. But, I prefer my protein from solid sources, usually poultry. I try to avoid pork because of its effect on my digestive track and red meat tends to slow me down a little.

[Clint]

Originally Posted by Rufio

Actually Clint, from what I've read it takes an INSANE amount of soy protein to have any significant effect on estrogen levels. In general from my reading it's safe to eat some soy protein. The only problem is that it's not very high on the protein absorption scale. Whey, cassein, eggs, and meats are really the only worthwile proteins.

Yeah eating soy is generally okay but supplementing with it would be ingesting quite a bit of soy cumulatively

[Metalhead]

I was reading awhile back on menshealth.com that soy protein does not grow you tits or affect anything like that unless you eat a tonne of it. They actually said soy is underrated by most men.

[Clint]

Originally Posted by DonFrye

This is part of what I've learned in my research...
"When you eat a serving of whey protein, its digestion in your gut results in a very rapid, but short-lived, surge of amino acids into your bloodstream (Boirie et al., 1997). Casein, by comparison, yields a slower, more sustained release of amino acids (Boirie et al., 1997). Importantly, casein’s slower absorption profile seems to better promote a positive protein balance (Boirie et al., 1997) -an essential requirement for building bigger muscles.

Recall from above that one way of estimating your protein balance is by measuring your body’s balance of a particular amino acid, such as leucine. A positive leucine balance indicates a state (i.e., increased availability of leucine inside your muscle cells) that supports protein anabolism. Conversely, a negative leucine balance indicates conditions favoring protein catabolism.

Ironically, whey protein marketers have been known to cite the Boirie study (Boirie et al., 1997) as evidence with which to support whey’s ‘superiority’ as a muscle-building protein. Contrary to what their ads and articles (‘advertorials’) imply, however, Boirie et al. found that casein -not whey- produced the most positive leucine balance when fed to healthy young humans. In fact, whey actually produced a negative leucine balance."

I can go on with more stuff, but this about sums it up.

There are simple enough ways to slow the absorption (and there are times where rapid uptake is good anyways)