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[Omoplata]

If you took a poll of Defensive Players and coaches in the league on who is the best defensive player in the league Champ Bailey would win it.

[eazye76]

Originally Posted by Black Man

That cant be the only problem you found with the last, I dont mean to be belligerent but a Best Defender in the NFL poll that doesnt include the Defensive player of the year?

If it makes you better I put that poll together fast, I also forgot about Juluis Peppers.
Champ made the list because of the fact that he cuts off a whole side of the field, but I wanted to put "The Human Ball Magnet" Ed Reed on the list, even though I loathe the Revens.

[eazye76]

Originally Posted by Black Man

That cant be the only problem you found with the last, I dont mean to be belligerent but a Best Defender in the NFL poll that doesnt include the Defensive player of the year?

If it makes you feel better I put that poll together fast, I also forgot about Juluis Peppers.
Champ made the list because of the fact that he cuts off a whole side of the field, but I wanted to put "The Human Ball Magnet" Ed Reed on the list, even though I loathe the Revens.

[SimpleJack]

Originally Posted by Black Man

Im a Raider fan, so there is no homering.. just fact, Jason Taylor DESERVED to be the damn DPOY I mean for the past 2 years hes won games for the Phins.. just look at the donks game when he forced a fumble, scooped it up, and scored a game winning TD.. Defensive end is the most important position on defense in todays football, Jason Taylor is the best defensive player in football right now.

Merriman was DPOY hands down, regardless of the suspension.

MLB is the most important position in football. Without a good MLB, DE's aren't afforded the opportunity to move about freely and make plays.

[eazye76]

As good as Taylor is I don't feel too bad about leaving him off the list, seeing as how guys like Juluis Peppers, Asante' Samuel, and Tommy Harris didn't make it. Shawn Merriman is about the best pass rusher in the game, but he did get popped for 'roids, so I think Champ is the best. He changes games and he's clean - plus he's been doing it for a long time.

[eazye76]

[QUOTE=DonFrye]Merriman was DPOY hands down, regardless of the suspension.

I don't have a huge problem with him not getting DPOY because of the roids, but he was the best defender last year. The fact that he had so many sacks is even more impressive because he did it in 12 games, not 16.

[Afro]

Originally Posted by DonFrye

Merriman was DPOY hands down, regardless of the suspension.

MLB is the most important position in football. Without a good MLB, DE's aren't afforded the opportunity to move about freely and make plays.

A) Merriman isnt a MLB

B) DE is more important in todays game then MLB is

C) You need a good pass rush in todays game period! DEs stop the run, and there your most important pass rushers

thus why Shawn Merriman, Jason Taylor, and Julius Peppers are the most important players on defense

[bchan1430]

Originally Posted by DonFrye

Without a good MLB, DE's aren't afforded the opportunity to move about freely and make plays.

Without a good D-line, MLB's aren't afforded the opportunity to move about freely and make plays. Part of the reason that Baltimore moved Suggs to DE and went 4-3 base was to give Ray Lewis a chance to make more plays.

I don't know if a good pass rush is the most important part of a defense, but it can really make up for a poor secondary.

However, some DE's are focused too much on the pass rush, get downfield really quickly and get burned by the draw or a regular run play. Only a few elite DE's can recover ground quick enough (i.e. Peppers/Taylor etc.)

[Afro]

Originally Posted by bchan1430

Without a good D-line, MLB's aren't afforded the opportunity to move about freely and make plays. Part of the reason that Baltimore moved Suggs to DE and went 4-3 base was to give Ray Lewis a chance to make more plays.

I don't know if a good pass rush is the most important part of a defense, but it can really make up for a poor secondary.

However, some DE's are focused too much on the pass rush, get downfield really quickly and get burned by the draw or a regular run play. Only a few elite DE's can recover ground quick enough (i.e. Peppers/Taylor etc.)

And there are only a handfull of DEs that can pass rush and stop the run, and also have very good cutbacks.. the bengals had a bad run D for years because there DEs had awful cutbacks.. there ankles simply sucked and that team had good LBs but it didnt matter.. first line of defense is the most important line of defense, and the most important position on the DL is the defensive end.. all my opinion of course.

[Kimuras"R"Us]

To get back to the original question, no he's not worth that much at all. Besides his sack production declining you forgot teams have realized you can just run the ball right at him without problem.

I think your arguments are strong Afro, but you gotta think that in the 3-4 the DE is not as important.