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[CM PO]

he cant stop the run his sacks keep going down. 30 mil up front smh. But if u wanna talk best Defensive Player in football

[eazye76]

Sean Taylor is nasty, but come, he's not even the best Saftey in the league. That would be Mr. Reed in Baltimore. He might be the best saftey in the NFC East - even though Philly fans would argue Brian Dawkins.

[Omoplata]

Originally Posted by eazye76

Sean Taylor is nasty, but come, he's not even the best Saftey in the league. That would be Mr. Reed in Baltimore. He might be the best saftey in the NFC East - even though Philly fans would argue Brian Dawkins.

I hate the Cowboys but what about Roy Williams? Much props to the guy who broke Terrell Owens leg.

[eazye76]

[QUOTE=Omoplata]I hate the Cowboys but what about Roy Williams? Much props to the guy who broke Terrell Owens leg.

LOL. Roy is great in the box, tackling, blitzing, etc..., but he's a little weak in pass coverage

[Omoplata]

Originally Posted by eazye76

LOL. Roy is great in the box, tackling, blitzing, etc..., but he's a little weak in pass coverage

True but you can say the same for Sean Taylor. I'm a big fan of both players (player not the team... I HATE THE COWBOYS!!!) Best Saftey in the league is Ed Reed. Best Def player in the league is Champ Bailey. When you have a shut down corner with his ability you open up what you can do with the biltz.

As far as Urlacher he's not much with out the DT's in front of him. No Tank Johnson and Tommy Harris near the end of last season you could really see him struggle.

The best thing you can do for your defense is have 2 monsters in the middle of your line, you open up your linebackers and safteys to make plays.

[CEVANS]

is he worth the money well no not really not that much but the last thing the colts need is to lose a star at D and he does have games that he just flat out runs pass the o line look at what he does when they play baltmore

[Afro]

Originally Posted by Omoplata

True but you can say the same for Sean Taylor. I'm a big fan of both players (player not the team... I HATE THE COWBOYS!!!) Best Saftey in the league is Ed Reed. Best Def player in the league is Champ Bailey. When you have a shut down corner with his ability you open up what you can do with the biltz.

As far as Urlacher he's not much with out the DT's in front of him. No Tank Johnson and Tommy Harris near the end of last season you could really see him struggle.

The best thing you can do for your defense is have 2 monsters in the middle of your line, you open up your linebackers and safteys to make plays.

Champ is the best CB in the league, but in todays NFL the CB position is not that important just look at Charles Woodson. If you have a good pass rush then you force a lot of bad throws, and your CBs will make a lot of plays.. and you can almost dictate what the offense is going to do. Thus why its been how long since a CB was taken high? yet look at how many Dlinemen are taken in the Top 10 every year.

My money is on either Julius Peppers or Jason Taylor as the best player in the NFL.

[bchan1430]

as far as safeties.... here are a few excerpts from a KC Joyner ESPN Article where he provides some metrics

Overrated safeties

"Ed Reed
Reed's metrics were terrible last year. His 14.9 combined YPA was the fifth-worst in the league among coverage safeties. He gave up the third-highest number of total yards. He had the fourth-most bomb passes thrown his way and the third-worst YPA at that depth level.

I know there are those who will say that the game broadcast tapes don't show everything that Reed does and that these numbers are anomalies, but let me throw this out in my defense. Carson Palmer said that Reed often doesn't play his coverage and thinks he knows what's coming. Palmer also commented that Reed can get frustrated when the offense is getting some things going and will try to come up and make a play and lose his responsibilities because of it. Palmer was able to exploit Reed's impatience in Week 13, when he connected on a flea-flicker pass to T.J. Houshmandzadeh for a 40-yard touchdown.

The metrics show that Palmer isn't the only quarterback who knows Reed's coverage weaknesses. That is why I believe Reed is the most overrated safety in the league."

"Sean Taylor
Taylor made the Pro Bowl as an injury replacement, but the metrics make it clear he didn't earn the spot. He ranked 20th in both deep assist YPA and deep assist success percentage. He did even worse when in direct coverage, as his 10.7 YPA in those situations was the seventh worst in the NFL last year. He also gave up the second-most total yards of any coverage safety. Taylor did do a lot more to support the run last year than he did in years past, but even taking that into account, he really wasn't a Pro Bowl-level coverage safety last year"

It's always hard to determine a best, but a few safeties who play pretty big are dawkins and sanders. Also, look out for Jimmy Williams of the Falcons making the move to free safety, he has the size, speed, and ball skills to be a great FS.

[Afro]

Originally Posted by bchan1430

as far as safeties.... here are a few excerpts from a KC Joyner ESPN Article where he provides some metrics

Overrated safeties

"Ed Reed
Reed's metrics were terrible last year. His 14.9 combined YPA was the fifth-worst in the league among coverage safeties. He gave up the third-highest number of total yards. He had the fourth-most bomb passes thrown his way and the third-worst YPA at that depth level.

I know there are those who will say that the game broadcast tapes don't show everything that Reed does and that these numbers are anomalies, but let me throw this out in my defense. Carson Palmer said that Reed often doesn't play his coverage and thinks he knows what's coming. Palmer also commented that Reed can get frustrated when the offense is getting some things going and will try to come up and make a play and lose his responsibilities because of it. Palmer was able to exploit Reed's impatience in Week 13, when he connected on a flea-flicker pass to T.J. Houshmandzadeh for a 40-yard touchdown.

The metrics show that Palmer isn't the only quarterback who knows Reed's coverage weaknesses. That is why I believe Reed is the most overrated safety in the league."

"Sean Taylor
Taylor made the Pro Bowl as an injury replacement, but the metrics make it clear he didn't earn the spot. He ranked 20th in both deep assist YPA and deep assist success percentage. He did even worse when in direct coverage, as his 10.7 YPA in those situations was the seventh worst in the NFL last year. He also gave up the second-most total yards of any coverage safety. Taylor did do a lot more to support the run last year than he did in years past, but even taking that into account, he really wasn't a Pro Bowl-level coverage safety last year"

It's always hard to determine a best, but a few safeties who play pretty big are dawkins and sanders. Also, look out for Jimmy Williams of the Falcons making the move to free safety, he has the size, speed, and ball skills to be a great FS.

I dunno how credible that article is if there just basing safeties off of there metrics

[bchan1430]

=) it was just food for thought I was throwing out there. KC Joyner is pretty well respected and almost all of his articles are based on metrics, which is why he is known as the "Football Scientist".

It probably doesn't tell the whole story; however, numbers don't lie and I'm sure many people would agree that Ed Reed does get overagressive with the ball at times.