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[TookaChinchilla]

So many people thinking this trade makes Boston a legitimate championship contender, good luck getting out of the first round

[Kimuras"R"Us]

Originally Posted by TookaChinchilla

So many people thinking this trade makes Boston a legitimate championship contender, good luck getting out of the first round

In the east??? Are you serious?

Please elaborate, I'm not trying to be a dick. Let's say Boston is a 3 seed, who do you think can stop them as a 6?

[matto]

well.. im an idiot, as soon as i say it aint goin to happen it goes down. glad for you but now the pistons r going to have to deal with another team besides cleveland, miami, and chicago.

[TookaChinchilla]

Defense wins championships. Look back 10 years at the past champions; Chicago, LA, San Antonio, Detroit, Miami. All had superb defense. Ray Allen doesn't play defense. Paul Pierce doesn't play defense. Also, Boston has shit for depth.

You have 3 good players, who's running your point? Rajon Rondo? Boston has no one to distribute the ball. Also, who knows how good of chemistry they will have since they've never played together before.

And Boston isn't a #3 seed next year. Detroit, Cleveland, Miami, Chicago..hell even New Jersey, Toronto, Orlando, and Washington are better than them.

[matto]

Originally Posted by TookaChinchilla

Defense wins championships. Look back 10 years at the past champions; Chicago, LA, San Antonio, Detroit, Miami. All had superb defense. Ray Allen doesn't play defense. Paul Pierce doesn't play defense. Also, Boston has shit for depth.

You have 3 good players, who's running your point? Rajon Rondo? Boston has no one to distribute the ball. Also, who knows how good of chemistry they will have since they've never played together before.

And Boston isn't a #3 seed next year. Detroit, Cleveland, Miami, Chicago..hell even New Jersey, Toronto, Orlando, and Washington are better than them.

yes i agree, sick of hearing how great sa is, la was way better, winning 3 in a row. shaq and kobe owned duncan and the spurs and if they hadent separated they would have won more championships. the 2005 championship was bs, detriot should have beaten the spurs but for the bs last second shot, they deserved to win 2 in a row.

they will still be a force even without good d and a good point gaurd.

[Mac]

I think this ia great for the Celtics, K.G. is top 5 in the league and instantly makes them dangerous in the East.

That being said, a couple of things to consider, these moves have thinned out the Celtics' depth dramatically. Pierce palyed in what, 50 some odd games last year and Allen is coming off of surgery. That could be disasterous if one or both of those guys go down.

Plus you gotta take into consideration chemistry. It may work out great but it could also turn inti the fiasco Houston had a few years ago when they got Pippen and Barkley to go with Olajuwon and it just didn't work out.

[spinach]

Odds to win the East from Sportsbook.com:

Boston Celtics 5-2

Detroit Pistons 4-1

Chicago Bulls 17-4

Cleveland Cavaliers 17-4

Miami Heat 17-4

Orlando Magic 10-1

Toronto Raptors 15-1

Washington Wizards 18-1

New Jersey Nets 22-1

New York Knicks 25-1

Atlanta Hawks 40-1

Charlotte BobCats 40-1

Milwaukee Bucks 40-1

Indiana Pacers 75-1

Philadelphia 76ers 75-1

[Kimuras"R"Us]

Originally Posted by TookaChinchilla

Defense wins championships. Look back 10 years at the past champions; Chicago, LA, San Antonio, Detroit, Miami. All had superb defense. Ray Allen doesn't play defense. Paul Pierce doesn't play defense. Also, Boston has shit for depth.

You have 3 good players, who's running your point? Rajon Rondo? Boston has no one to distribute the ball. Also, who knows how good of chemistry they will have since they've never played together before.

And Boston isn't a #3 seed next year. Detroit, Cleveland, Miami, Chicago..hell even New Jersey, Toronto, Orlando, and Washington are better than them.

No one on the Cavs plays Defense and they did not have a legit #2 guy on their roster and they made it to the finals last year. Also their coach wasn't any good. And you're going to say the Celts can't get out of round one if they're healthy? That seems a little far fetched to me.

And don't say Hughes is a legit #2 he hardly even played in the playoffs. The only person on that team that should be on a conference title winner besides LeBron is Varejo and that's just because he's a great hustle guy.

Also saying that New Jersey, Toronto, Orlando, and Washington are all better than the Celtics now is also a little crazy.

[TookaChinchilla]

Cleveland ran thru the East because of Lebron James. Bruce Bowen shut him down in the Finals, which is why they got swept.

Doc Rivers isn't a defense oriented coach. He was awful at defense as a player and still is as a coach.

Don't forget Toronto was a 3 seed last year. Orlando added Rashard Lewis to their roster. And, IMO Kidd, Jefferson, Carter and Jamison, Butler, Arenas; are better trios at the moment.

[Kimuras"R"Us]

Originally Posted by TookaChinchilla

Cleveland ran thru the East because of Lebron James. Bruce Bowen shut him down in the Finals, which is why they got swept.

Doc Rivers isn't a defense oriented coach. He was awful at defense as a player and still is as a coach.

Don't forget Toronto was a 3 seed last year. Orlando added Rashard Lewis to their roster. And, IMO Kidd, Jefferson, Carter and Jamison, Butler, Arenas; are better trios at the moment.

I see your arguments, but don't agree with them. Oh well just my opinion, I'm repping you for having a legit conversation instead of being a dick.