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[mcdev88]

who do you say is the NL MVP?

i pick Albert Pujols.



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[bigsmooth696969]

I think Hanley Ramirez and David Wright should be included. Ramirez is a 5 tool player. His RBI's are low because he gets pitched around constantly. Wright is also a 5 tool player and is the ehart and soul of the Mets. Most Valuable? I think Manny is the most valuable to LA than anyone else. You see LA before Manny and look at them now, in the playoffs. He won't win though because he only has 50 or so games in the NL.

[Nebraska]

I think it's between Man-Ram and "The Hebrew Hammer". I like Howard, and his power numbers are sick, but his batting average (currently at .248) is atrocious. Roger Maris hit .269 in 1961, that is currently the lowest batting average of an MVP winner in MLB history. Howard is hitting 21 points lower than that, and he isn't setting the homerun record. I don't think he should be seriously considered, despite his great power numbers.

[bigsmooth696969]

Originally Posted by NebraskaMMAfan

I think it's between Man-Ram and "The Hebrew Hammer". I like Howard, and his power numbers are sick, but his batting average (currently at .248) is atrocious. Roger Maris hit .269 in 1961, that is currently the lowest batting average of an MVP winner in MLB history. Howard is hitting 21 points lower than that, and he isn't setting the homerun record. I don't think he should be seriously considered, despite his great power numbers.

Are you serious? I hope this is a joke because there is no way Manny or Ryan Braun (LMAO)win. Pujols has it all but in the bag. The award is most valuable to the team. CC is more valuable to the Brewers than Ryan Braun.

[Mac]

Hanley Ramirez isn't even the most valuable player on his team, that is Cantu. Howard shitting under .250 and has an ungodly amount of strikeouts. Manny has only been in the NL for around 2 months.

Pujols is by far the NL MVP. He doesn't strike out, pitchers are scared of him and he had what should have been a sub .500 ball club in the race for most of the year. Besides the fact that he is a gold glove defender. The only other person that should be considered that knows what a glove is for id David Wright.

[bigsmooth696969]

Originally Posted by Mac

Hanley Ramirez isn't even the most valuable player on his team, that is Cantu. Howard shitting under .250 and has an ungodly amount of strikeouts. Manny has only been in the NL for around 2 months.

Pujols is by far the NL MVP. He doesn't strike out, pitchers are scared of him and he had what should have been a sub .500 ball club in the race for most of the year. Besides the fact that he is a gold glove defender. The only other person that should be considered that knows what a glove is for id David Wright.

How do you figure Cantu is more valuable than Ramirez b/c Hanley has more Runs, HR's, SB's, and a 20 point higher AVG and 1 less error. Whats your logic on this?

[Mac]

Originally Posted by bigsmooth696969

How do you figure Cantu is more valuable than Ramirez b/c Hanley has more Runs, HR's, SB's, and a 20 point higher AVG and 1 less error. Whats your logic on this?

He's been more consistant than Hanley, and most of the Marlins were upset that Hanley was named MVP of the team by the Florida press instead of him.

Also, how the fuck do you put Delgado in that poll over David Wright?

[Nebraska]

Originally Posted by bigsmooth696969

Are you serious? I hope this is a joke because there is no way Manny or Ryan Braun (LMAO)win. Pujols has it all but in the bag. The award is most valuable to the team. CC is more valuable to the Brewers than Ryan Braun.

Dead serious, how do you figure Pujols has it "in the bag"? Ludwick has been more valuable to the Cardinals this year, than Pujols has been. CC? Come on, he pitches every fifth day. Pitchers aren't not MVP's, that's why they created the Cy Young Award. Plus, if CC is more valuable, why did you make Braun one of the choices? He is carrying his team to the playoffs, just like Manny did with the Dodgers. An MVP puts up big numbers in big situations, and helps his team be successful. A-Rod winning for Texas doesn't happen a lot, so don't cite that as an example. It should be between Braun and Manny.

[bigsmooth696969]

Originally Posted by NebraskaMMAfan

Dead serious, how do you figure Pujols has it "in the bag"? Ludwick has been more valuable to the Cardinals this year, than Pujols has been. CC? Come on, he pitches every fifth day. Pitchers aren't not MVP's, that's why they created the Cy Young Award. Plus, if CC is more valuable, why did you make Braun one of the choices? He is carrying his team to the playoffs, just like Manny did with the Dodgers. An MVP puts up big numbers in big situations, and helps his team be successful. A-Rod winning for Texas doesn't happen a lot, so don't cite that as an example. It should be between Braun and Manny.

Look a little closer and you will see I didn't make the poll smarty pants! Ludwick more valuable to the Cards than Pujols? LMFAO!!!!! You obviously don't understand baseball if you think that! Hmmmm, who would you rather pitch to in a tie game needing a hit to win? I bet no team in baseball pitches to Pujols because he is better! Better clutch hitter, higer average, more consistant, better leader, he is irreplacable! Where were the Brewers before CC? Yeah, 8 games out. CC goes 8-2 with an ERA in the low 2's and 4 CG's and they are tied for the Wild Card. I bet Braun isn't even top 5 when the vote comes out. Hell, I'll say it right now, Pujols will have ATLEAST 60% of the 1st place votes if not 70%. Manny only has 50 or so games in the NL. He isn't going to win although I think he and CC are both deserving. So its between Pujols, Delgado, Wright, Howard, and maybe Utley or someone else. Pujols wins going away.

So Mac, what is your source on this Cantu/Ramirez Florida press story? I looked all over Florida newspaper websites and found nothing. Also, I didn't make this poll but if you look at Delgado's numbers, he and Wright are both deserving to be in this discussion. If you noticed in my earlier posts, I am the one who said Wright should be included.

[Mac]

Originally Posted by bigsmooth696969

Look a little closer and you will see I didn't make the poll smarty pants! Ludwick more valuable to the Cards than Pujols? LMFAO!!!!! You obviously don't understand baseball if you think that! Hmmmm, who would you rather pitch to in a tie game needing a hit to win? I bet no team in baseball pitches to Pujols because he is better! Better clutch hitter, higer average, more consistant, better leader, he is irreplacable! Where were the Brewers before CC? Yeah, 8 games out. CC goes 8-2 with an ERA in the low 2's and 4 CG's and they are tied for the Wild Card. I bet Braun isn't even top 5 when the vote comes out. Hell, I'll say it right now, Pujols will have ATLEAST 60% of the 1st place votes if not 70%. Manny only has 50 or so games in the NL. He isn't going to win although I think he and CC are both deserving. So its between Pujols, Delgado, Wright, Howard, and maybe Utley or someone else. Pujols wins going away.

So Mac, what is your source on this Cantu/Ramirez Florida press story? I looked all over Florida newspaper websites and found nothing. Also, I didn't make this poll but if you look at Delgado's numbers, he and Wright are both deserving to be in this discussion. If you noticed in my earlier posts, I am the one who said Wright should be included.

As far as the Hanley/Cantu thing I honestly can't remember where i saw it, I have a lot of down time at work so I'm constantly on the net. It may have been on Yahoo, but I can't be sure, I will try to find it.

As far as Delgado/Wright, I wasn't calling you out on that, I was calling out the person who made the poll.

@NebraskaMMAfan-No way Ludwick is more valuable than Pujols, that's why you can't just pick based on stats. Ludwick had a tremendous year, don't get me wrong, but he was very streaky and up and down. He would get hot then go into a slump. Pujols was consitent all the way through, plus Pujols is the big reason Ludwick did so well. When Ludwick batted 2nd he would get a steady diet of fast balls because Pujols was coming up next, when he batted 4th, they would pitch around Pujols and forced to pitch to Ludwick.

Pujols made a very mediocre team play over .500 ball. Pujols is the only guy that was in the NL for the whole season that opposing managers worry about every time he's at the plate.