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[Highlander]

Originally Posted by Palma Wrestler

Because of the way he handles it I guess. Have you read testimonies and the court recordings? From what I can tell he definitely did some enchancing drugs. It's called the clear and you drop it on your tounge and it doesn't show up in urine tests. He said his trainer gave him something that was like that, but he said he didn't know what it was. I think he knew it was something, but didn't want to know.

I look at it like this. I think he did it, but even according to court depositions he only did it for less then one season and it was a season he was injured for half of anyways. He was already giantic when he did it. Yeah, he might have hit less home runs if he didn't do it, but not much less though. I don't think enhancers helped him hit more homeruns compared to the amount of homeruns he didn't hit because of all his intentional walks.

Well, even if he did it for 1 season, I still think it's wrong. I hiope he doesn't do it anymore, but I think it's bullshit that he's used as the scapegoat for cheating in baseball, since there are many cheaters in baseball.

[Palma]

Originally Posted by Afro Samurai

Bonds was super skinny when he played for the Pirates, now look at him.. I know thats all assumptions but I do think hes done Steroids, that 70 Hr season is surrounded by what? the guy has all the signs, but he hasnt been tested positive yet but we all know Baseball players mask the hell outta that stuff.. but its still assumptions I think he does em though, and I think Hank Aaron is still a better hitter then he is but Bonds is still great, still 2nd best.

He was 19 when he played for the Pirates. Do you know what happens between 19 and 26? Even from people who are testifying against him are saying it was the 99 season when he put on 15 lbs of muscle. He swung so hard during an at bat that he tore the ligaments in his back and he spent over 50 games on the DL. He was bigger before he drugs then he is now.

Aaron has a better career average, but Bonds is more of a power hitter then Aaron was.

Originally Posted by God

Well, even if he did it for 1 season, I still think it's wrong. I hiope he doesn't do it anymore, but I think it's bullshit that he's used as the scapegoat for cheating in baseball, since there are many cheaters in baseball.

I just think it's bullshit that people attribute all his success to it and I also hate how every other baseball player that tested positive for it has gotten off the hook so easy by the courts and the media and here no one can even prove it and they treat him like they do. Yeah I'm sure he did it, but if they can't even get a decent hearing together to bust him then everyone really needs to let it go. I mean after all Palmero, McGwire, Sosa, and Giambi most certainly did it and no one gives a shit about them.

[Afro]

he wasnt 19 for all the 7 years he played for the Pirates though, again its just an assumption no one knows for sure if he did it but IMO he did.

[Palma]

Originally Posted by Afro Samurai

he wasnt 19 for all the 7 years he played for the Pirates though, again its just an assumption no one knows for sure if he did it but IMO he did.

And when he was around 22 he started to fill out. He was already a bigger then average ball player by the time he got traded to the giants. The pictures the media shows to try and make him look smaller are always from his rookie year, which is total bullshit.