So now Glover's injured from that arm crank apparently, ...
"Adding injury to insult, Glover Teixeira not only lost his bid to remove the gold belt from around UFC light heavyweight champion Jon Jones’ waist at UFC 172 recently, he also suffered a torn labrum in the opening round of the fight.
The injury occurred when Jones, who masterfully defended his belt, cranked on Teixeira’s arm. Lesser men would have given up, but Teixeira fought on for the duration of the five-round fight, not winning the belt, but winning over most anyone that doubted his shot at the title.
Teixeira’s manager, Ed Soares, confirmed the injury to FoxSports.com on Friday, saying that his fighter is likely to undergo surgery sometime in the next two weeks. A timeframe for his return is yet to be determined.
Despite the torn labrum, as well as some battered ribs, Teixeira took nothing away from Jones after the fight, simply saying he was the better man that night.
Jones surprised many pundits, who thought he would try to utilize his height and reach and stay away from Teixeira’s inside game, where the Brazilian is particularly proficient. The champ instead fought a large part of the fight on the inside, besting Teixeira where he is strongest, showing another new wrinkle in his own game.
Teixeira lasted to the final bell, losing a unanimous decision. The loss to Jones ended a 20-fight unbeaten streak."
So does it constitute as a 'dirty' maneuver more now, seeing as how it has put Glover on the shelf? Or is it simply just 'unsportsmanlike' because it is within the rules?
Yes, you can get your knee busted in submissions etc, but with that crank once the opponent uses it, there's no tapping to it before something is torn. At least to me it looked like a pretty basic technique, yet nobody else seems to be doing it or else we would have had many injured guys by now.
I don't think that it was particularly dirty, or as dirty as some of the stuff he pulls. It falls in a grey area...it's not a clean move, but really, for a black belt, Tex should have had better positioning on the underhooks to prevent it. It sucks that he's out for a bit, but it is submission grappling, and he is a veteran, competing at the expert level.
I guess it's probably not quite as bad as the oblique kick, in my opinion. They both have potential to do long-term injury to the opponent, but leaving the opening for the arm crank is more a matter of poor form than with the strike to the knee. And yes, I get that they're both legal. I hope that changes.
I think without any doubt, jones will do whatever he has to to win. There just isn't a bit of concern about long-term injury to his opponent, as long as he wins. I think there are a lot of fighters who wouldn't do the arm crank--and good on them, in my opinion--but I'm betting there are just as many who will be looking for it now.
But ultimately, I don't feel like this is as bad as the eye-pokes, the spinning elbows to the back of the head, the forearms across the throat, etc.
The arm wrench is questionable in the rules but still dirty as fuck when you consider Jones himself said its a dirty move in amateur wrestling yet had no problem doing it.
The majority of nuthuggers would cry if it was done to Jones and put him on the shelf. I mean one moron tried mentioning Gus' s past history outside of the sport, which is completely irrelevant to the thread. So imagine that retards reaction if Jones got poked 10 times, elbowed in the throat, and arm wrenched, lost his belt and got put on the shelf. It would be a problem then of course
There was nothing wrong with the arm crank. Everything else brought up on here is dirty but an arm crank? This is the point of the thread I bow out because now it seems like people are just looking for anything to call dirty. The goal of MMA is to KO or submit your opponent. Is an arm bar or kimura dirty? Was it dirty when Frank Mir broke Nog's arm? So the arm crank isn't allowed in another sport. Hell take downs aren't allowed in boxing. Are they dirty?
Jones reaction however was uncalled for and a douche move.
A dangerous move doesn't make it dirty. Had Glover tapped instead of fighting through what would people think then?
As for the hand over the mouth and nose more then a few fighters have used that move and I don't think it's dirty... it's not going to injure anybody and really at worse it's just annoying to the fighter and makes them have to work a little harder to maintain their cardio.
I would venture to say that Glover never once thought Jon would wrench his arm like that. I've never seen that the way it was done in MMA before.
You calling me a moron is like Rosie O Donnell calling someone fat, 1intheass. At least point out who you're referring to. Maybe you'll get a rep.
I've already said that I liked the arm crank. I've never seen it done like that before and it just shows another weapon in Jones' arsenal. It's obvious Jones isn't going to win the biggest sportsmanship award. He blatantly displays that's he has no remorse for his opponent during the fight and will utilize any sort of technique that will win him the fight. By any means necessary I suppose.
Is it clean, nope. But I like seeing how guys will either deal with it or fall to it. It's martial arts.