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Thread: ShamRock Vs. Ortiz II (DEATH)

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    Quote Originally Posted by gharveybob
    Maybe... I agree that he is very deserving of the title shot, and has improved a lot over that last few years.

    But... if two world class wrestlers (Tito and Randy) had so much trouble getting the current version of Chuck to the ground, I'm not sure Babalou will fare any better. Horn did the best of anyone recently, and his submissions are easily as good as Babalou's, but he ended up having to find ways to counter standing up (leg kicks) while taking a ton of punishment.

    While Babalou is dangerous standing up, I can't see favoring him in a stand up fight against one of the best MMA counter-punchers in the world today.
    I dont think Couture had trouble taking Chuck down, I think Couture got cocky and felt he could stand up with Chuck.. when he went for takedown attpents he was sucessful, but he stayed on his feet too much. I think Horn is a great example though cuz Chuck defended all of them. Still, Chuck CAN be taken down and I think if Babalu can weather the storm on his feet he'll catch an opportunity, I like Babalu in this fight.. he won 10 in a row since his loss to chuck in impressive fashion I think he'll continue that streak.

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    Horn had the right idea. His strategy was to wear Chuck down so that he could take him down in the later rounds since Chuck always seems to gas. If he didnt get caught in the eye, his strategy may have worked.

    Couture seemed to convince himself he was an all around fighter and tried to stand with Chuck like a fool. Again, he should have planned the right attack and been patient since Chuck does gas. He should have cornered and clinched with Chuck, dirty boxed, and take him down. Once down, Chuck is out of his element compared to Couture's ground skills.
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    I think the Liddell Babalu fight will be a good one...I don't think it will be one sided for either man...but I do think oiddell will end up winnning it

    on a side note...I hate ortiz and I would love to see him lose

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    TUF has taught me this: Shamrock can't coach, and is a crybaby, and Tito has gained my respect!!!

    Tito will dominate #2 just like he did in the first fight.

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    tito is one of the best fighters out there right now and he did call out chuck, everytime you see a interview with tito he's saying "im going to beat shamrocks ass, then fight chuck and get a better outcome this time" and yea tito lost to guy mezger early in his career and that was contrivercial anyway and tito came back and wooped on guy mezger so that first loss doesnt matter, and yea tito lost to frank shamrock but that was a good fight he was beatin franks ass, and then he's won the rest of his fights except for chuck and randy, and randy is/was one of the best in the world, so its not bad that he lost, it was an experience to learn from, and yea he lost to chuck but that was because he played right into chucks lil plan which was, have tito try to stand up and get KO'd and just to prove he was man enough he stood with him, which isn stupid on tito's part, when they fight again he will do what he does best, take him down and GNP his ass and regain the LHW title and as for the shamrock fight.....thats going to be awsome to watch because after 3 mins of tito puttin pressure on shammy he's going to gas and tito will just annilate him even worse than before

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    I might be the only one but

    Does anyone else think that Ken has looked better in his last 3 fights then Tito has?

    I mean Ken has fought better fighters and I think has looked better then Tito although Tito won.. Tito won against guys like Cote, Griffin, and Belfort now mind you I dont think Vitor is bad but he was washed up when he fought Tito, Cote and Griffin are B-grade fighters at best.. All went to decisions, one decision should of went to Griffin

    Ken fought Sakuraba who may be old but still better then anyone Tito fought, he fought Rich Franklin whos the champ.. and up until he slipped he was in the fight was he not? he almost got a submission on Rich, and he beat Kimo who everyone seems to beat but it was in dominating fashion, whens the last time Tito dominated someone?

    I still think Tito wins this fight, but I do believe it will be closer then last time.. I dont want to see Tito win though so im definently not looking foward to this fight.
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    Ok, what is exactly Chuck's injury and when is this fight with Babalu (SP) going to happen? As far as sharmrock and ortiz, I think we can all admit that it's good business and it sounds like most of us are looking forward to the fight, which is what the UFC wants. I used to like shamrock, but he sold out to fake-ass wrestling, as did Tito. I think tito is a better, more rounded fighter and Ken needs to learn to adapt to mma. I think Matt Hughs proved by beating Gracie that you need to adapt to MMA, MMA doesn't adapt to you. I think I am going to cheer on Tito, just for the fact that it's better for the UFC if he wins, then if shamrock does. If shamrock wins, will he get a shot at Chuck??? Would he even want that? Would a fan of UFC want that? I guess it wouldn't matter because chances are, Ken is taking his check and running. And if I am wrong, I apologize, I just have never heard Ken say he would want to fight for the championship. And please, feel free to correct me if he has.

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    Ive heard him say it in an interview, but that was before he lost to Franklin.. that was the deal if he had beaten Franklin he would of gotten a title shot or fought for a title shot.

    But I think now he realises hes too over the hill to be champ again, and fights for the love of the sport.. and for the love of revenege over Tito, cuz I know Tito isnt the only guy he wants to fight.. of course Royce is still on his list, ive heard that he wanted to fight Tank, Don Frye again, theres a lot of names.. I dont think Ken is all about fighting Tito and retiring.. I think the guy just wants to keep fighting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Afro Samurai
    of course Royce is still on his list, ive heard that he wanted to fight Tank, Don Frye again, theres a lot of names.. I dont think Ken is all about fighting Tito and retiring.. I think the guy just wants to keep fighting.
    I agree, I think Ken want to keep fighting keep his name out there. Even in early UFC he seemed much happier with the Superfights as opposed to the tournaments, which he was never really sucsessful in. I am sure the money the fighters are making today doesn't hurt either. I see Shamrock v Gracie as a sure thing, maybe even before year end. I still dont see him doing much against Ortiz though, unless Tito's knee is that bad and Ken goes right after it.

    Also Afro I apoligize for the comment I made over the weekend regarding you Afro going to your brain, was meant to be a joke but I guess in hind site it was kinda harsh. Sorry about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhino_Man
    I agree, I think Ken want to keep fighting keep his name out there. Even in early UFC he seemed much happier with the Superfights as opposed to the tournaments, which he was never really sucsessful in. I am sure the money the fighters are making today doesn't hurt either. I see Shamrock v Gracie as a sure thing, maybe even before year end. I still dont see him doing much against Ortiz though, unless Tito's knee is that bad and Ken goes right after it.

    Also Afro I apoligize for the comment I made over the weekend regarding you Afro going to your brain, was meant to be a joke but I guess in hind site it was kinda harsh. Sorry about that.
    its ok man

    and I agree, I dont see Ken doin much against Tito either.. but then again I couldnt see Vera doing much against Assuerio and he won that fight the only way I thought he could! so who knows, I think the only way Ken wins is if Titos stand up isnt nearly as good as it use to be.. then maybe Ken can get the edge there because Griffin won the standup game against Tito, Griffin also missed a bunch of shots and not many of his shots looked very co-ordinated but they landed so one can only expect that Tito isnt as good on his feet as he use to be, but I dunno both fighters have become so sporadic lately theres no telling what to expect from them
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