Well, you seem to attack his stand up as being suspect, yet can't point out anything specific about what makes it suspect (here's a hint that you could've used: his covering up, and defensive head movement didn't look good against Chuck, which is why he was knocked out). Granted, as far as his stand up goes, he wasn't ready to go toe to toe with Chuck, but it was good enough to hang with him for the 1st round.Originally Posted by Afro Samurai
Is his standup on the same page as Silva? Of course not. Is Silva's ground game on the same level as Ortiz? No. So does that make Silva not a world class fighter? Of course not. Also, I don't care how early it was in both their career's, he still beat Silva.
We can go round and round with this. You ask where he's shown good submission skills? Show me where he used poor submission skills? He was tapped on the first night of his career. And? You may not see it this way, but not being submitted in an MMA fight is showing good submission defense. Submission defense is more than being able to muscle out of a choke or hold. Not getting put in one in the 1st place is good sub defense. Plus, he's only been KO'd once and stopped with strikes once in his career, which shows me that he has good standup. Again, good stand up is more than being a KO artist.