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    omaplattas are always useful. if you dont get the sub, the sweeps that can come out of it are incredible. then you gain top position and regain a dominant position. thats my opinion. a lot ppl i kno that train say its useless and only works on noobs but the anxiety that graplers go through when their arm is caught allows them to make mistakes or give you the sweep.

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    a good example of what im talkin about is seen in the guillard vs clementi fight from ufc 79. clementi gets on top by using an omaplatta sweep. check it out at mmalinker. its a download link from megavideo. heres the link.

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    Quote Originally Posted by initial_zen View Post
    no problem, and do you have any opinion on the rubber guard?
    im still very new too only about a year into grappling but i have been using it to set up oma plattas really nicely and am wondering if it is something i should invest in.
    Stick to the basics as they will apply to every situation as where rubber guard will only work in certain situations on certain individuals...

    Just work on your open guard in general, which will include practical applications of the rubber guard naturally.

    If you try and force the Rubber guard too ofter people will figure it out and their entries will just have an automatic defense to it and they will penn down your pivioting foot and pass to side mount or just control your knee that goes behind the neck for Mission Control.

    If you have a good open guard then you can transition to omoplatas, to arm-bars, to triangles more easily as well as set your opponent up for combos then you can from Rubber guard.

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    I agree that Rubber Guard, The Twister and its stuff is just new tools to add to orthodox Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. Eddie Bravo has mentioned that you have to know your basics. When you have your basics down, then you can add his 10th PJJ techniques into it. The combination of both orthodox and unorthodox (for now) techniques will make you, I would argue, a much tougher people to go up against. For example, you could have someone in regular side mount and starting hunting for a kimura or something. When the bottom person thinks that he/she is OK, then you can transition to a twister side control. I love to mount there. It is so much easier. When people turn into you, you can use the twister roll to take their back. Going back and forth makes you much more dangerous.

    I've been training in BJJ for almost 2.5 years now. I use various techniques from Eddie's system. In terms of a top game, I use the twister side control quite often. I typically set guys up from there for the ninja roll. Although the twister itself is a banned submission, the roll itself is an awesome technique to take the back. I'm one of the smaller guys in the gym, so the roll to the back presented itself as a energy conserving technique to take the back. That's my top game thus far.

    In terms of my guard game, I have a lot of 10th PJJ influence. My half-guard is almost entirely based off of Eddie's lockdown. The old school sweep and the electric chair sweep/submission have been very high percentage for me. Even if I don't sweep them, I usually start a scramble off that the puts me in a better position (most times). In terms of the rubber guard itself, I use it almost exclusively in my nogi training. In the gi, borrow some of the ideas. Some things I use a lot of, include: the Pump, Invisible collar, the swim move, Meathook to triangle, Teepee and the carni.

    More generally though, I believe that Eddie's ideas promote better flexibility that will much benefit, in grain the idea of tightness in jiu jitsu rather than looseness and fostering creativity in jiu jitsu practitioners. It also teaches students a way to put together all the techniques that you learn. Instead of having 1,000 separate techniques, linking together might help a BJJ practitioner remember everything better.

    Regarding the Gi/Noqi debate, I personally think that it's important to train both. I know some people say that training the Gi is important for the finest technique. I used to train exclusively in the gi. When I went to do some nogi, there were a lot of set ups that I had that required the gi that no longer existed in nogi. I believe that the gi does not always transition optimally to the nogi game.

    I definitely enjoy his school and his techniques even though my only means of RG stuff is through youtube, his occasional canadian seminars and his two books.

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    ^^^^^^This may be one of the best posts I've ever read on an MMA forum.

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    I don't have much to say about the rubber guard b/c I haven't learned how to really use it.

    I know those guys at the gym that have tried it, do not do it properly so its easy to escape from.

    But man, after watching this vid, I would really love to spend some time training at bravo's school. I'm gonna actually see if it can be done.

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    To me the regular full guard is outdated and old fashioned, especially in no-gi competition. I think the techniques of the rubber guard, turtle guard, butterfly guard, and X-guard are much more effective. I think everyone should show Eddie Bravo and men like him a ton of respect for thinking outside of the box and for revolutionizing jiu-jitsu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by killerinstinct View Post
    To me the regular full guard is outdated and old fashioned, especially in no-gi competition. I think the techniques of the rubber guard, turtle guard, butterfly guard, and X-guard are much more effective. I think everyone should show Eddie Bravo and men like him a ton of respect for thinking outside of the box and for revolutionizing jiu-jitsu.
    But it hasn't revolutionized Jiu-jistu... no one has one a world championship or even a national championship with the Rubber gaurd. Bravo didn't even win his championship with the rubber-guard. Not with the gi and without.

    I'm not saying it doesn't work but it hasn't become a parctical gaurd in BJJ yet.

    Closed guard will always be the best and most practical guard... the difference is most fighters know how to pass and evade a closed guard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Palma View Post
    But it hasn't revolutionized Jiu-jistu... no one has one a world championship or even a national championship with the Rubber gaurd. Bravo didn't even win his championship with the rubber-guard. Not with the gi and without.

    I'm not saying it doesn't work but it hasn't become a parctical gaurd in BJJ yet.

    Closed guard will always be the best and most practical guard... the difference is most fighters know how to pass and evade a closed guard.
    I have to disagree Anoki proves the rubber guard works. Closed guard is the worst against a lay and pray wrestler. Like the Sherk/Florian fight if that was Anoki and minus the blood I think the rubber guard would have been way better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by atj-lucko View Post
    I have to disagree Anoki proves the rubber guard works. Closed guard is the worst against a lay and pray wrestler. Like the Sherk/Florian fight if that was Anoki and minus the blood I think the rubber guard would have been way better.
    Look at Nog, Maia, Alemdia, Penn, Werdum, etc... they all use closed guard and even Akoi uses the closed guard.

    It doesn't favor the scoring but it doesn't mean it's not effective for subs and sweeps (and that is what we are talking about here).

    If Florian tried to use the rubber guard on Sherk his guard would have been passed because it's just too easy to pass if your opponent knows what the hell he is doing.

    I never said it doesn't work. I said it isn't as practical as the close guard. You can't sweep and are limited to a handfull of subs with the rubberguard.

    But this totally besides the point because the question was raised that the Rubberguard has revolutioninzed BJJ and it hasn't.

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