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Thread: Mauricio “Shogun” Rua: “I’m still the same fighter I was in the past”

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    At least 5 of his wins have come from soccer kicks or stomps.....Can you remove those from his arsenal and still expect him to be dominant? We'll see...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Badluck_33 View Post
    If you remember in the glory days of Pride, Pride had a majority of the Top Ranked LHW fighters. Jackson, Wandy, Hendo, Shogun, Arona, lil Nog, Belfort.

    He fought a good wrestler in Randleman and got that knee bar that i'll never forget.

    Sorry bro but I can't agree with you on this. Shogun got to the top for good reason and I think he proved it.

    This will be a great test for Shogun but I think he will prevail victorious. The road to the LHW championship starts with Coleman.

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    heres my opinion.

    rampage's standup has improved drastically since his fought shogun. overeem lost to a lot of people and always looked bad at 205 after the 3 minute mark. its not very hard to submit randleman and personally i just dont think lil nog, arona or randleman are top lhw fighters. they were at the time but times are changing and the new breed of fighters at 205 now.

    the ufc is at a hole nother level then pride 205 was imo. guys like rashad, the new and improved rampage, forrest has improved a ton, machida, thiago silva, luiz cane etc..

    shogun will not have the same success as he did in pride mark my words. with the division as stacked as it is i doubt anyone will be able to be dominant in the divsion except maybe machida [imo].

    well see who shogun gets matched up with but i dont think well ever see ufc gold around shoguns waste.

    and yes he cant use his main tool of stompnig peoples heads like he did in pride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badluck_33 View Post
    If you remember in the glory days of Pride, Pride had a majority of the Top Ranked LHW fighters. Jackson, Wandy, Hendo, Shogun, Arona, lil Nog, Belfort.

    He fought a good wrestler in Randleman and got that knee bar that i'll never forget.

    Sorry bro but I can't agree with you on this. Shogun got to the top for good reason and I think he proved it.

    This will be a great test for Shogun but I think he will prevail victorious. The road to the LHW championship starts with Coleman.

    War RUA!!!
    I can't see Coleman being much of a test for anyone at 205 as this point, hope i'm wrong and its a kick ass fight!

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    Quote Originally Posted by leedogg900 View Post
    heres my opinion.

    rampage's standup has improved drastically since his fought shogun. overeem lost to a lot of people and always looked bad at 205 after the 3 minute mark. its not very hard to submit randleman and personally i just dont think lil nog, arona or randleman are top lhw fighters. they were at the time but times are changing and the new breed of fighters at 205 now.

    the ufc is at a hole nother level then pride 205 was imo. guys like rashad, the new and improved rampage, forrest has improved a ton, machida, thiago silva, luiz cane etc..

    shogun will not have the same success as he did in pride mark my words. with the division as stacked as it is i doubt anyone will be able to be dominant in the divsion except maybe machida [imo].

    well see who shogun gets matched up with but i dont think well ever see ufc gold around shoguns waste.

    and yes he cant use his main tool of stompnig peoples heads like he did in pride.

    Well put.

    But with all due respect I Hope your wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leedogg900 View Post
    i have a feeling shogun is really going to struggle to become the dominant fighter he was in pride. i just see a lot of bad matchups for him in the UFC.

    a lot of good wrestlers who he cant take down and some of them are better then him on the feet as well IMO. i think he will struggle against the guys who arnt wrestlers as well, shogun aint a great wrestler so if he fights someone with better standup then him he could be in trouble there too.

    i think his wild kicking punching style isnt going to work in the UFC. i think hes gonna have trouble taking people down and theirs a lot of people with better hands then him, as long as they can avoid the clinch i can see shogun really having a hard time.
    Shogun beat a great wrestler in Randleman
    He beat a great JiJitsu specialist in Arona
    He beat a great boxer in Lil Nog
    He beat a great MT striker in Overeem

    The reason Shogun could beat all those people is not because he was better them at their facet, it's because he has a lot of tools to use. He beat Alistair on the ground, beat Randleman with subs, beat Rampage in the clinch, he didn't beat Arona in grappling, he beat him on the feet (and gnp) and he was just better well rounded than Nog.

    I think a better indication of how Shogun is going to do is by how he comes off of his injury. If he looks good with his cardio and his skillset, he can give anyone in the 205. His well rounded abilities and aggressive style is hard to prepare for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zana1126 View Post
    I hope he is the same fighter, because after he beats Coleman (without a doubt), he will be thrown to the lions.
    Shogun >>>>>> lions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. MMA View Post
    Shogun beat a great wrestler in Randleman
    He beat a great JiJitsu specialist in Arona
    He beat a great boxer in Lil Nog
    He beat a great MT striker in Overeem

    The reason Shogun could beat all those people is not because he was better them at their facet, it's because he has a lot of tools to use. He beat Alistair on the ground, beat Randleman with subs, beat Rampage in the clinch, he didn't beat Arona in grappling, he beat him on the feet (and gnp) and he was just better well rounded than Nog.

    I think a better indication of how Shogun is going to do is by how he comes off of his injury. If he looks good with his cardio and his skillset, he can give anyone in the 205. His well rounded abilities and aggressive style is hard to prepare for.
    I couldn't agree more. If people suddenly think he's useless because he can't legally soccer kick or stomp, they're overlooking that he came up with excellent game plans against all of the fighters above. Looking at his resume from a 2009 perspective doesn't do it the justice it deserves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyMoore View Post
    You ever notice that when a fighter makes a statement like "I'm still the same fighter" or "I'm gonna come back stronger than ever" or "I've been working hard in the gym, and I'm gonna surprise everyone in my next fight!" it rarely works out that way? This seems especially true when that fighter has come to the UFC from Pride. Dont get me wrong, I loved Pride, but the transition does seem to be a difficult one.

    I hope Shogun makes me eat my words. He was always one of the most exciting fighters to watch. But historically, when fighters make this kind of statement, it doesnt turn out well for them.
    except GSP came back and won the title and made Serra look like a can.

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    I think Shogun can definitely become the UFC LHW champ...

    The thing about shogun is he is so good wherever the fight goes..and he fights with an insane pace.

    If he comes back 100% the only fighter I can really see beating him is possibly Machida. I think he would beat the shit out of Rashad too, honestly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rivethead View Post
    Shogun >>>>>> lions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmcpherson21 View Post
    At least 5 of his wins have come from soccer kicks or stomps.....Can you remove those from his arsenal and still expect him to be dominant? We'll see...
    right because those fighters have just laid down and waited to get stomped. LOL go back and watch the fights you are talking about, he knocks people down and then destroys them on top, whether it is ground and pound or kicks.

    oh and for the record, one of shogun's kicks to the ribs will hurt more than his kicks to the head, ribs snap when they break.

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